THE BIG DISPUTE on FEELING "CLEAN" -Andrew Strom and others. -Yes - really, truly "clean" in Jesus. An actual consciousness of real "cleanness" before God. That is what the whole controversy with my sermon was about. A lot of people cannot believe they can ever feel "clean" like that. It caused quite a stir. Here is what some who listened to the sermon wrote about the controversy- Missy wrote: "I think the controversy is that from what I have encountered with myself and other believers that it is very hard for some of us to not beat ourselves up and strive over sin. I have experienced what you talked about and it's an amazing thing, to feel clean before God!! I loved the video and I hope that many people get to see it... I have encountered so many believers that sadly do not like to accept the fullness of being clean in Christ because it seems that they have a hard time accepting that they can be, or a hard time accepting that there isn't something, just something that they have to "do" to keep themselves in check with God. Now I'm not talking about having no responsibility as believers, but I'm talking about 'sin consciousness' as you said." Frank wrote: "Hey brother Andrew. Here is your problem with that sermon, you took on the sacred cow of revivalists. I have been around, and part of the revival conferences for a number of years, and this is the message that is not embraced. That is why I asked the question at the conference via the internet about cursing the darkness. It's what the revivalists do, they only ever curse the darkness. Romans 8 is a very dangerous chapter to be quoting to a people who almost always dwell in the realms of Romans 7 and the only acceptable proclamation is Oh wretched man that I am. Or- oh what a vile worm I am. To be a vile worm in many of the circles of revivalism is to be a virtuous man. To walk in the glory of the knowledge of God in the face of Jesus Christ is quite another thing. The last thing the enemy wants is for an army of sleeping saints to arise from their slumbers or from the dust of the earth and say Behold the Lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world. You see, the death to self movement (and I think death to self is vital) only ever look at themselves and their sin, they are rooted in the OT and their eyes are on their sin and they look to the 10 Commandments as they look in a mirror and they see nothing but their own sinfullness looking back. The time is far past when the saints lift up their eyes unto the hill and see where their help comes from, when they lift up their eyes and see the Lord Jesus Christ high and lifted up. When Jesus begins to be proclaimed, when the glorious resurrected Lord Jesus Christ is lifted and we say to men and woman everywhere Look to Jesus, look to Jesus, see the glorious Lamb of God, see the glorious Lion of Judah." ANDREW AGAIN: Yes - sadly, that is what the controversy seemed to be about. "What can WASH AWAY my sin? -Nothing but the blood of Jesus"... "Are your garments spotless, are they white as snow, are you WASHED in the blood of the Lamb?" So many of the old hymns are about this - being washed clean - having the RIGHTEOUSNESS OF JESUS living in us. -Actually knowing and experiencing "cleanness" through Him. Personally, although I believe in laying a "foundation" of deep repentance and brokenness, etc, I don't believe in "leaving" people there in a state of condemnation and endless striving. We have to break people through into a sense of deep "cleanness" through Christ. They must actually EXPERIENCE this 'cleanness'. That is the end of all true Revival preaching, in my view. If you missed it, the link to this "controversial" message is below. But first, some people said they had trouble hearing the message, so here is a different "audio-only" feed to try- http://media.sermonindex.net/20/SID20391.mp3 Here is the video on Youtube- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4J-rYpi0E8 God bless you all, Andrew Strom.