NOTE: Two items are below. ************************************* From: Alan Senecal <senecal@...> Over the past several months my family and I have been helping some folks about two hours drive from our home. They had been meeting in their home for quite some time. They began to notice two things; they were outgrowing their living room and more unsaved people began coming. After a little while the husband approached a local bar, that's right a bar. He shared with the owners about Jesus eating and drinking with publicans and sinners, about church in the market place. Amazingly the owners loved the idea and our friends started meeting there, in the bar, on Sunday evenings (at no cost). What followed is still amazing all of us. On any given Sunday night there are between 60-120 people showing up. The average number of non-Christians is around 30 with approximately 20-30 people being born again within the past 3-4 months. I, for one, have always believed that the church should be in the "market place". It's just great to see and experience it like this, IN A BAR! -Alan Senecal <>< **************************** Forwarded by: "Sam Buick" <the_dwelling_place@...> Taken From: http://www.dawnministries.org/regions/nam/simplechurch/models/pub/ Simple Church Models -The Pub Church Bar None is a church in a pub in Cardiff, Wales. Chris Coffey, one of the founders, says "The employees like working in the cellar which we rent every week. They enjoy the atmosphere, take part in the discussions, and sometimes ask for prayer. I think that is an indication: when the employees who have to work during a Christian event don't stand around, tensely waiting for the end, hating every minute, that's a good sign..." Bar None began with three friends who met at a Christian festival and discussed ideas of how to be church in an unchurchlike manner. They came up with the idea of a pub church. A group of Cardiff Christians decided to check out the city's pubs, to find out if any were open for the idea of being a pub church on Sunday. They expected rejection, but were astonished that most were excited by the idea. They finally settled on 'The Oz Bar' in the city centre. Newspapers and Bibles In the first meetings, they laid Bibles and newspapers on some of the tables, held discussions and sometimes a 10-minute talk, a songwriter presented a song, and discussed the meaning. "The best evenings were often the ones which we did not plan," says Chris. "Someone would ask 'Why do you lot believe what you believe?' and things would go from there. To start with, we had around 100 people each evening, including many curious Christians from local churches. We now have thirty to forty regular visitors, many of whom do not attend a 'normal' church because they think they would not fit in. Bar None is one of four fellowships belonging to the Glenwood Church. It is important for people to recognize that they are not in a waiting line for a 'real church', but that this is 'real church'! And one of the most important things that we have learned is that we do not need to have an answer to every question, and do not need to justify everything that we do," he says. =======================================