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From: "REVIVAL List" <prophetic@...>
Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2017 21:30:15 +1300
THE CONTROVERSY of FEELING "CLEAN"!

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SHERYL writes:
It's really so easy and so simple. Once I lived in a daily kind of
condemnation because I could never live up to the perfection of
Christ. Now I know that His perfection is in me and it is daily being
worked out so that not only am I aware of it, but so are others. I
don't have to try anymore. It has become as natural as breathing.
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CANDITA writes:
I finally found someone who believes as I do! I sat at my computer
and cried. I'm not a weirdo after all! I believe it one step further;
When the sanctifying power of the blood of Jesus is activated in
the heart, I believe the "sin-nature" leaves. I can't bring myself to
believe that the "old nature" and the new nature" live in the heart
together. I believe the fight we have in the spiritual realm comes
from the enemy (now on the outside) wanting to get back in. The
desire to sin is not there. There are temptations but it's like water
on a duck's back. I don't believe any Christian should live a yoyo
life (up and down). Another thing that I'm not hearing in the
preaching of the Gospel, is Maintainance - How to Maintain the
Salvation that you receive.... nobody tells you HOW to maintain
what Jesus has given you.
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ROZAIN writes:
I understood your message and stand with you. Be encouraged it
is a message that satan fights the most (I have seen it) because if
people really get hold of it they will truly understand the sacrifice of
the Blood of Jesus and satan's domination will be broken.
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TENNEY writes:
I loved your essay on walking in cleanness. I too experience a
daily walk with the Lord wherein I do not find myself having to
repent all the time. Some things are SETTLED! I was delighted to
hear your story, because I agree, there should be more of this
easy wonderful walk with God.
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KATRINA writes:
At one time in my life I was an alcoholic, drug-addicted prostitute.
I was arrested and in jail when I made a complete and total
surrender to the Lord.  He put me in Romans, Chapters 5-8 for
about 3 months continous study and prayer.  When I left that jail at
the end of six months I was a set free captive!  Today, six years
later, I walk as a new creation that Jesus Christ has made me!  I
serve as housemother/counselor in a women's ministry for ladies
coming out of addiction and sin and turning to the Lord for that
victory.  I agree with everything that you have "preached"!  After all,
"whom the Son sets free, is free indeed!"
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BRAD writes:
Years ago after a wonderful meeting with the Lord in prayer one
night my faith was ignited and my wife would say I went from a 1
to a 10 overnight in my relationship with God. I often shared my
faith with other believers who were constantly contending with my
new faith. One day I was reading thru Romans because of some
contention about the Holy Spirit. I knelt down to talk to God and
He spoke to me and asked me "What do you see?" and I said I
see that I don't have to sin any more, and He said to me "That's
what I wanted you to see". Our Baptism into His death and raised
into His new life should not be contaminated with unbelief or
arguments of "I can't stop sinning, it's too hard". These are lies
that are contrary to the truth. I never knew before that moment
that I was freed from sin through Baptism (Romans ch 6). That
lack of truth in my life was a source of great struggles and self
condemnation for years.
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JUDY writes:
Andrew, Perhaps as well you can post chapter by chapter the
Watchman Nee book, The Normal Christian Life on here for those
on your e-list to read. I am finding that I must read more than once
this book and I also believe that this sinless life as explained in
this book and also in the book of Romans is something that must
be by revelation, not just teaching. It must be "got" as it is so very
deep.
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JEFF writes:
The fact that so few experience this does not mean we should
change the Gospel, so willfully sinning people can feel better about
their relationship with God - so they can feel better than God wants
them to. But I think we also need to give them the tools so they
can live in Romans 8.

I attended an evangelical seminary for a year, hearing over and over
about imputed righteousness, and almost nothing about actual,
overcoming righteousness, and seeing hardly any.

In "Are You Walking in Romans 8?", you preached that we must
have a pure white robe to be normal Christians and to enter heaven.
Isn't this what Jesus said in Revelation 3? But how many U.S.
'Christians' have heard this preached? No wonder the knee/jerk
reaction that some will have when the Biblical standard for going to
heaven is finally taught.

Jesus' heart is grieved, and He wants us to speak out the truth,
even if this offends some people and makes them uncomfortable.
Smith Wigglesworth said, ~"I want to make people either mad or
glad."  We must teach what Jesus requires, as well as how people
can live in Romans 8; otherwise, millions who think they are
Christians will be doomed.

I think the most radical difference between overcoming-you and the
undercoming majority is your statement:

> "God gave me a true 'fear of the Lord' from the start, and a deep
>repentance where I literally went right through my life and
>repented of everything I could find that was not godly."

This happened to me, also, over 30 years ago.... I had a healthy
fear of the Lord. If the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom,
how can the church make right decisions about many things if
they donĀ¹t even have the beginning of wisdom. Satan has taken the
fear of the Lord from the American church, and the 'church' is
mostly not really Jesus' going-to-heaven church.
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JAEL writes:
I, and many others walk in what I call 'righteousness conciousness'
daily. As for my walk, I keep in communion with my Heavenly
Father at all times, making corrections and receiving forgiveness
as necessary, but staying in His presence always. He shows me
where to correct, where to re-examine myself, when I need to
repent in order to stay in this blessed state. This should not come
as a major upset to anyone. Isn't this how Christianity is supposed
to be? As far as I can see, this is the only way to live... the only
way I'd ever WANT to live.  We are new creations... as it says in
another translation..."we are a new species of being, that never
existed before". Humans with God inside. Hallelujah!! I say we
should live in the light, as children of the light..
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BOB writes:
Andrew, you did the best you could, but unfortunately I find the
same results even when I teach and preach it. I assign "The Normal
Christian Life" as a reading to my students in my discipleship
class at the Bible College and they have to read it and critique it.
I don't expect them to necessarily get it the first time around,
though some do. But I do tell them to not cast the book away but
one day, in 5 or 10 years, read it again and then it will click.
Romans 8:4 will become a reality in your life then. Some have
finally, after ten years of teaching it, come to me and said, "Now
I see what you were saying. God has really done it all for us hasn't
He?"  Keep writing and preaching Romans 8 brother. It is the
greatest word in the word. Grace is so misunderstood, and hardly
correctly preached; sadly.
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JEANETTE writes:
Thank you, thank you, thank you, Andrew...you are preaching my
sermon that I have tried to share for some years now and no one
wanted to hear - "after all, we are only human!"  I said hogwash
(maybe in not such a polite term!)...we are NOT only human...we
have the divine life of Christ in us and the Cross was all about
being us to the state of walking a holy life - in this life.  I John is
one of my favorite epistles for some time now...in fact was going
back through it earlier today.  John made no excuses or gave no
quarter to sin.  We either are born again or we are not.
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GEORGE writes:
Dear Andrew,
> "Normal" Christianity is this:  Walking before God with a totally
> clean conscience and a pure heart - as our 'normal' state before
> Him. -Utterly clean. No STRIVING or "TRYING to be good". This
> is clearly what the New Testament describes as normal. - Literally
> walking before God with "no consciousness of present sin".

Yes, absolutely.  That is what we are doing.  And if something
"pops up", we take a good look at it (being "transparent" is our
goal) and deal with it. If there is indeed something there, then
repentance and taking authority over it are the order of the day...
and we keep on walking!  Is this preached today?  Sadly not.
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ANDREW AGAIN:  The POWER of the Gospel, my friends!
The POWER of the Blood of Jesus! Really and utterly and
truly CLEAN - a free gift from Jesus. May this be a reality
for every one of us.

Kindest regards in Christ,

Andrew Strom.