[anzac] #2 - LEAVING the PROPHETIC MOVEMENT - Andrew Strom.

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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 19:00:20 -0600

"NAMING NAMES?" - by Andrew Strom.

I guess you will not be surprised to hear that I was flooded with 600 
emails within 24 hours of my announcement that I was leaving the 
Prophetic movement. Many of them seemed to be highly supportive 
of the stand I had taken. (-A lot of people have seen alarming 
things in this movement). But I'm sure I will receive a lot of flak also.

For many years, even when I was truly disturbed by something
I usually avoided "naming names" as much as possible. I do not
approve of the 'Heresy Hunters' who seem to take such delight
in maligning Spirit-filled ministries across the Internet. There is 
no delight in such things for me. Only grief and sadness that the
name of Jesus is once again being brought down into the mud.
We live in very sad times in the church today, don't we?

After my previous article, many people asked me again to "name
names" and announce clearly who the leaders were at this
conference - even though that info was already at the top of my 
first email. For this one time, I am actually going to accede to 
their request - because we need to clear the air about these
leaders and also a number of others as well. But I have to tell
you, I have been totally heart-sick at having to talk about all this.

The speakers at this KC 'Whitedove' Conference were Bob Jones,
Paul Keith Davis, Bobby Conner, John Paul Jackson, Shawn Bolz - 
plus Jim Goll and one or two others. Sadly, I have to say that I 
have rarely felt so grieved or devastated as when I witnessed the 
carryings-on at this event. If you get the 'Elijah' List (-the main
Prophetic email List) you will recognize most of the names above 
as being amongst the top "movers and shakers" of the whole movement.

A number of people asked me about Rick Joyner and Morningstar
Ministries. Where do they fit into all this? Well, seemingly Rick 
has always managed to keep himself at a slight distance from the  
worst excesses and controversies of this movement. (-Except for 
when he joined the Knights of Malta - an ancient Catholic Order. 
-By the way, that is probably what led to the fad of using swords 
to 'knight' people that swept through this movement a few years 
ago). I have read some of Joyner's books and enjoy some of the
things he says, but frankly, just because he has kept himself at a 
slight distance does not absolve him from the mess that the 
Prophetic is in today. The fact is, Mr Joyner is very close friends 
with almost all of the main leaders at this recent conference. He 
regularly ministers alongside them - and knows them very well. As 
a 'father' in the movement, if he had brought correction it would have 
been heeded, but he has clearly failed to do so. Thus, he has to be 
held accountable for the state of things as much as anyone else. 
And it would not surprise me if similar deception is finding it's way 
into Morningstar conferences. (-A number of the same people are 
involved). Sadly then, I have had to remove any articles or links 
to Rick Joyner from my web-site - along with all the others.

And speaking of the sad and grievous state of this movement, I 
wonder how many of you received the following notice from the 
Elijah List recently about a forthcoming 'School of the Prophets':
"God is releasing a new level of revelation that goes beyond just 
operating in the nine gifts of the Spirit." [Pardon me?? -ed.] 
"Sessions will cover topics like Hearing the Voice of God, Activating 
your Spiritual Senses, Third Heaven Experiences, and Exploring 
Spirit Realms."  The advertised speakers are Todd Bentley, Stacey 
Campbell, Larry Randolph, Paul Keith Davis, and Bobby Conner.

Now, I have come across Todd Bentley's teachings on "How to visit 
the Third Heaven" before, and I tell you, it is nothing less than
'Guided Visualization' taken straight out of the New Age movement.
Nothing less and nothing more. It is exactly the same. And I want
you to know that if you attend these kinds of things, or allow these
men to 'guide' you or lay hands upon you, then you are opening 
yourself up to all kinds of spirits and demonic counterfeits. As I have 
stated before, this movement has absolutely NO DISCERNMENT at 
all. It has sunk into such deception that it's leaders are opening 
people up to all kinds of demonic experiences on a daily basis. It 
has no idea that it is even doing it. -It behaves exactly like a  
movement that has been "given over to deception" by God. I urge 
again that everyone reading this would prayerfully consider CUTTING 
OFF all ties to this movement, lest you yourself become tainted by it.

It is with great sadness that I make the above points. I have
refrained from saying such things in the past, but I can no longer 
do so, because untold people are being spiritually damaged by
what is going on. Please understand my heart in this.

For the same reason I also need to warn you about another 
'prophetess' who is often featured on the Elijah List. Her name is
Jill Austin and I have personally witnessed her ministry in action.
I would describe it as one of the most disturbing (by far) meetings
that I have ever been in. There was definitely a strange "power"
operating, but it certainly did not seem like God to me. She is also 
an expert at 'hyping' an audience. Please be very careful in such 
environments, my friends. -You can end up taking part in things that 
you would never normally do, just because you are part of a large crowd.

Sadly, there seem to be many other ministries in this movement  
involved in similar deception. In fact, I hate to say it, but a general 
rule might be that if someone is featured on the Elijah List, there 
has to be at least an 80% chance that their ministry is "off" in some 
major way. I will say just one more thing about the Elijah List: I am 
convinced that they will one day give account to God for taking upon 
themselves the name "Elijah" and then doing what they have done
with it. Literally, by their own words they will be judged.


What a lot of people don't seem to recognize is the sheer level of 
'peer pressure' and "crowd manipulation" that is going on at many 
of these events. They end up being led into doing things they feel  
uncomfortable with, just because "everybody else" is doing it. They 
squash down their discernment. They ignore the "little voice" or the 
tiny 'alarm bells' inside them that are trying to get their attention. 
And thus, multitudes of Christians are being led astray - and paying
through the nose for the privilege. I urge anyone reading this who 
has ever squashed down their discernment and participated in such 
things, to get before God and REPENT of opening yourself up in 
that way. It is very important that you confess this before God and 
ask His forgiveness. RENOUNCE all deception in Jesus' name.

One thing we don't have much time to discuss here is the MONEY 
issue. This is a huge problem in the Prophetic. Now, I do understand 
that ministries need finances to operate. I run a ministry myself. And 
as most of you know, about 5 times a year we put out a book or CD 
(available for any donation - or even just postage) to go towards the 
costs of keeping this ministry operating. However, the word itself is 
always free. It is terribly sad to see the charging of 'entry fees' to 
hear the word today, and the over-bearing emphasis on MONEY in 
the church. Did not Jesus clearly command: "Freely you have 
received, freely give"? 

Redefining "PROPHET"

Just because I have cut myself off from today's Prophetic movement
does not mean that I believe there is no place for prophets in the 
church. In fact, I believe we need true prophets now more than ever. 
But you will notice that there has been a subtle shift in the use of 
the term "prophet" over the last 25 years, and I believe we need to 
get back to the original meaning. It was not long ago that when you 
spoke of a 'prophet' you were usually referring to someone like Keith 
Green, Leonard Ravenhill or David Wilkerson - someone who was 
crying out to the lukewarm church, "REPENT."  And if you look
down the annals of history, you will find that there has never been 
a true Prophetic movement that did not have this as it's core 
message. Every true Prophetic movement, right from the Old 
Testament down through every Revival and Awakening that I have 
ever studied, has been a movement of REPENTANCE. And yet we 
find today a movement that calls itself "Prophetic" - but with spiritual
'revelations' and words of knowledge at its core. -No piercing word.
This is the precise reason why it has gone off the rails. -It has 
abandoned it's age-old message. It's 'word' has been corrupted.

I am convinced that God IS going to raise up true prophets in this
hour to cry to the lukewarm church "Repent". There is a movement
coming that is utterly different from that which we have seen. God
is coming to clean house. The "shaking" has already begun. And
the "John-the-Baptists" whom God has prepared in the caves and 
wildernesses are about to arise and speak His word - just as in
every Great Awakening down through history.

Some people asked me if I was going to shut down our web-sites
and email Lists. Not at all. The whole point of what we're doing is
to call forth and encourage these "John-the-Baptists" whom God is
raising up in this hour. We will not stop crying aloud until we see a 
great 'Repentance' Revival sweeping this nation from coast to coast.

As A.W. Tozer wrote of all true prophets down the ages:
"God has always had His specialists whose chief concern has been 
the moral breakdown, the decline in the spiritual health of the nation 
or the church. Such men were Elijah, Jeremiah, Malachi and others 
of their kind who appeared at critical moments in history to reprove, 
rebuke and exhort in the name of God and righteousness... Such a 
man was likely to be drastic, radical, possibly at times violent, and 
the curious crowd that gathered to watch him work soon branded him 
as extreme, fanatical, negative. And in a sense they were right. He 
was single-minded, severe, fearless, and these were the qualities 
the circumstances demanded. He shocked some, frightened others 
and alienated not a few, but he knew who had called him and what he 
was sent to do. His ministry was geared to the emergency, and that 
fact marked him out as different, a man apart."

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An extra big THANKYOU to those who have been praying for us 
during this sad time. Truly appreciated, my friends.

God bless you all.

Kindest regards in Christ,

Andrew Strom.