[anzac] IS "UNBELIEF" the PROBLEM?

Message: < previous - next > : Reply : Subscribe : Cleanse
Home   : November 2005 : Group Archive : Group : All Groups

From: "REVIVAL List" <prophetic@...>
Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 10:23:41 -0600
MODERATOR:  Last week there was a lot of discussion in the
wake of my article - "Are We MISSING THE HARVEST?"  Quite
a few people pointed out that often we don't see miracles in the 
West because of our culture's UNBELIEF. I agree that this has a 
profound effect.

I am not talking about the kind of "unbelief" that denies the
existence of God, or anything like that. I am talking about the kind 
that comes from being so 'EDUCATED' and living in a 'SCIENTIFIC' 
society - full of humanism - that explains away the supernatural 
and always sends us to the DOCTOR instead of sending us for 
prayer, etc. It is so insidious and subtle - and we hardly realize 
how bad it is because we are immersed in this culture every day. 
In the Third World, where Revival is happening, they have the exact 
opposite mindset. I think this does have a lot to do with our lack 
of miracles. Perhaps we all need to rebuke and renounce Unbelief?

However, I do know of small pockets or groups in the USA that
are seeing healings and powerful things regularly on the streets.
One man prays for people in Walmart who look sick, and has 
seen a number healed. Another group in the Southern USA has 
seen similar things regularly in their street ministry. They give
out prophetic words to unbelievers and command healings in
Jesus' name - preaching the "Kingdom of Heaven is at hand." 
Many wonderful things have happened.

A big part of this is- SIMPLY "GOING". We can make excuses 
all day long, but powerful things only happen when people actually 
GO OUT. -So find some homeless people. Take them some food, 
water, hats and gloves. Ask if they want prayer. It is that easy!
GET OUT THERE! -Make a start. It is not as hard as you think.

Below are a number of insightful comments on this topic, found 
on our Forum at-  http://www.revivalschool.com :

'TheHawk' writes:
My step-daughter went on a "missions" trip to Nicaragua last July. 
She is your typical teenager with all the hang-ups and so forth that 
come with being a teenager. She has always gone to church in the 
West her entire life. 

When she returned to the States from her trip there was quite a difference. 

She had been on previous "missions" trips to different parts of the 
United States and she had never experienced anything like she 
had on this trip. 

On this trip she saw miracles and healings one right after the other 
and people came to the Lord in droves. In fact her group prayed 
that this gang would get saved and they did! 

She has a picture of girl who had crossed eyes from birth and after 
they prayed for her her eyes and eyesight were normal. 

I asked her why those things happened there and she said they 
just REALLY BELIEVE! They're like LITTLE CHILDREN! 

When people experience, through faith, the reality of Jesus and the 
power of the Living God upon themselves and their loved ones they 
will want that/HIM more than anything. When all you have is your 
belief that Jesus will do what He says He'll do you can expect 
great things to happen. 

In the West we have everything - or so we think! 

As I read this post I too am saddened by this lack of revival in our 
lands and yet we continue to debate doctrine and issues that add 
little if anything to what God is really doing in the Earth. We have 
become too myopic in the West and tend to only see the world 
and what God is doing through the lenses of Western eyes. 

I believe that is why Jesus told His disciples "Do you not say, 
'There are still four months and then comes the harvest'? Behold, 
I say to you, lift up your eyes and look at the fields, for they are 
already white for harvest!...." 

While we debate the issues others are about doing His work. But 
what can we do? 

Then He (Jesus) said to His disciples, "The harvest truly is plentiful, 
but the laborers are few. Therefore pray the Lord of the harvest to 
send out laborers into His harvest." 

Perhaps our revival is simply waiting for laborers to go forth! 
----------------------------
'Hephzibah' writes:
Some people say it's a lack of faith. If we just believe harder, it will
happen. My experience tells me that's not the case. I pray with a 
group of people who are filled with faith. When they take mission 
trips to other countries, miracles usually happen. When they pray 
here, miracles rarely happen. Same people, same faith, same 
relationship with Jesus, same prayers -- different results. 
-----------------------------------
Frank writes:
Hephzibah, I agree with all you say except one point....

When people of faith travel out of the country and see miracles but 
see none at home, it must be the faith or lack thereof of those 
prayed for. How many times did Jesus say "Your faith has made 
you well"? Several. We in the Modern Western World tend to not 
believe in miracles. We are too critical and doubtful. Therefore, we 
see few miracles. In other countries the attitude is (or can be) very 
different. 
-------------------------
Ian writes:
We work with a church in Vietnam (underground church) that is 
growing by the hundreds. Do they tithe? -No. Do they share? -Yes. 
Do they pray and minister to each other? -Yes. Why did this 
happen? Well, partly because when Communism took over,
Western religion was run out. And they now meet under bridges, 
in the jungle, in the sewerage system, anywhere that they cannot 
be found. No fancy music systems, no fancy buildings, no college 
taught leadership, just everyday people that believe in the Bible 
and try to live by it. Gives you something to think about.
------------------------------
'Spearcarrier' writes:
I've heard of churches being formed in Sowetto, South Africa, out 
of nothing, in the poorest area, and growth has been phenomenal. 
There are places in Africa that cannot contain the people who 
gather to worship. I tend to agree with some others who say we 
have not missed the final harvest. I can't believe that God has 
closed His doors to us and our neighbors and family. I do know 
that we in the west have become closed and have turned our hearts 
against the things of God.... I'd say we will yet see a miraculous 
outpouring of the Holy Spirit in the west, but it will come with a 
price, a mighty cleansing fire....
------------------------------------
'ThebigR' writes:
Harvesting and revival function on a power/presence orientation that 
most western nations and western Christians do not understand 
or function well in.

The main reason miracles take place is because people understand 
the spirit realm and consider walking in the Spirit as a normal state. 
It is only western Christians that function on a rational mindset that 
predisposes Christians to struggle with the duality of flesh/spirit 
part of their nature. For those of us Christians who understand 
God's Word and function well in a presence/power orientation, 
harvest, revival, miracles, etc, are considered normal and we see 
it take place in the US ....
----------------------------------
MODERATOR:  Just GO, my friends! -Make a start!

God bless you all.

-Andrew Strom.