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From: "REVIVAL List" <prophetic@...>
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:17:14 +1200
An ICA 'APOSTLE' SPEAKS OUT on LAKELAND
-Andrew Strom.

[With huge thanks to RevivalSchool member 'SoulDan' for his help].

First, let me start by saying that Robert Ricciardelli has been
incredibly bold and courageous in speaking out on this issue in
recent days. He is one of the very few from NAR circles who have 
dared to speak up - firstly on blogs and on the radio - and even on 
our own Forum at RevivalSchool.com, etc. Robert is a member - 
a "marketplace apostle" in Peter Wagner's "International Coalition 
of Apostles" (ICA). He is the real deal. For him to speak out 
about Lakeland is a very brave act indeed. Plus he is a Charisma 
Magazine writer and a friend of Lee Grady. 

Last week on July 14th Robert was a guest on Radio KGNW -
where he spoke of how he had just come back from Lakeland, and
told of his deep concerns and the background research that he 
had been doing. On July 16th he commented on one Internet blog: 
"Truth is there are very few people being healed in Lakeland. I 
have worked with Charisma Magazine editor Lee Grady in 
discovering how many false reports have been released as facts. 
These are our brothers and sisters involved in this, but this move 
of God has been a move of men with God still touching some 
who come to seek Him."

On another blog he wrote: "Charisma reporters and a few others 
like myself have tried to get these verified and cannot... We actually 
had offered to help, because any news of a resurrection in my 
opinion is world news if it can be validated. But then when the 
totals continued to mount which led to hype and embellishment, 
they began to ask us to stop asking questions. Hmmmm?

"Friday night, Todd said that God said there were 1000 people that 
were to give $1000, and they were to receive a 1000 fold blessing. 
The one hour drama on this giving subject was so deceptively 
evident that it was embarrasing to watch. On top of that, those 
that would give that money were able to come to the platform to 
be recognized." 

Concerning the 'Resurrections' in Lakeland, Robert wrote: "We 
have investigated the 20 plus "raised from the dead" claims as we 
want to report them to the media, and they cannot be verified, but 
were only called in, or sent in from an email. This is not responsible
reporting, and leaves many questions, which also adds to the 
claims of hype and embellishment."  [~Robert Ricciardelli blog 
comments - 'jasonclark.ws' & 'stevehickey.wordpress.com']

The hour-long broadcast that Robert did on KGNW is also causing
quite a stir as it does the rounds on the Internet.

On our own Forum at RevivalSchool.com, Robert publicly added 
the following comments: 

"Peter Wagner and Chuck Pierce nominated me as a marketplace 
apostle 6 years ago. I threw the title away before I ever got it. I am 
not into titles, but I am into functions. The Lord told us "yes" to 
engage, and He was going to show us some truth in the process. 
Being engaged has given us a great oportunity to see the good, 
the bad, and the ugly of the apostolic/prophetic movements. The 
biggest thing along the way is the friends and associates we have 
met that have a biblical worldview much the same as we do... 

"After this year we will pray about next year and so far it looks 
like the Father is giving us a sense that we may not to be a part 
of the ICA if Peter and the leadership do not reconsider their 
impromptu decision to jump into the Lakeland stream, when many 
of us warned him not to. It was a mistake to coronate, when they 
needed to father and correct Bentley from the direction he is 
heading others into. It just put more fuel in his errant tank. 

"I am praying for Todd, because he really is an evangelist, and he
is a gifted evangelist. But he cannot go on embellishing, speaking 
untruths, hyping, manipulating, shoving, kicking, slapping, leg 
dropping, and bamming his way on the pulpit without consequences.
God will not be mocked, and Todd and others must answer to Him 
for everyone led astray. 

"The biggest thing about Lakeland is the lack of the fear of our 
Awesome God, lack of repentance and humility. Many have 
exchanged the truth for a lie and chosen experience over content. 
Angels, trances, and 3rd heaven focus has replaced the gospel 
as a focus... Lord do what only you can do to bring your divine 
alignment to all of us in Jesus name.." [-end quote] 

I took note of the fact that Robert said that "many" had warned
Peter Wagner not to jump into the Lakeland stream. I also noted 
that Robert seemed to be saying that he himself may leave the 
ICA over this issue. I thanked him publicly for his courage in 
speaking out, and asked him if there really was a lot of disagree-
ment even within Wagner's own movement? 

Robert replied:
"To answer your question, yes there is at least a dozen ICA 
members that I know of that are extremely concerned at Peter's 
endorsement and more to follow as the nonsense continues. The 
transferring of anointing, the focus on man bringing anything but 
the gospel is amazing and sad.... if Peter Wagner, Bill Johnson, 
and some distinguished members of the Who's Who in Charismania 
say it is all good, then people just go with it. Some have begun to 
see the YouTube and other information and begun to change. 
Some go as far as to claim it as deception, others say it is a 
move of God that needs correction. 

"It is my opinion that it was man orchestrated and demonically 
influenced from the very beginning. The worship has been good 
and Roy Fields is an awesome worship leader, so many in the 
worship and even watching from afar can sense God in the worship 
of His people. The truth is God has been engaged in the worship 
and has touched and healed some. This is why it has been so 
confusing to some. I have heard that Roy Fields has stated a few 
times that when the worship ends, God's presence leaves the 
platform, and then Todd Bentley operates void of His presence. 
That is why most all of what they have claimed cannot be verified, 
because it just is not happening. 

"We have heard a few people getting well, being touched and so 
on. There is a church here in North Carolina that brought 27 sick 
down there for a week. Some with cancer, leukemia, diabetes 
and such. None got healed and most were worse when they 
came back. The emperor is not wearing any clothes and the truth 
must be known. Many are claiming that Todd is the new thing 
that God is doing. The fact is he is still operating in the old thing, 
and operating with less integrity and character than the previous 
one man shows. 

"God is about nameless and faceless people who are operating 
without any agenda but the Lord's. Preaching about the King 
and His Kingdom, and moving supernaturally after Him, and as 
they do, signs and wonders follow. The problem in Charismania 
is that they seek the sign, they seek the thrill, they seek the 
craft supply quality gold dust, feathers and gems. They may get 
the chills and frills, but leave with nothing more than goose bumps 
and really little spiritual change. When they seek the King, the 
Kingdom of God and His righteousness, you begin to see 
transformation take place at the heart level. This is God's way 
and always has been... Bentley is just a product of the Charismatic/
apostolic/ prophetic trending away from Plumb line truth. At the 
same time the fact is, none of us amount to much, no not one. 
But in Him and dying to self and living His agenda, we can move 
mountains... The church is getting there, I wrote an article for 
Charisma that everything that can be shaken is being shaken, 
and this is what is happening in a great way right now..." [end quote]

Friends, please write to Robert encouraging him if you can for
the courageous stand he is taking.

See more of his comments + links to his article & radio show 
on the 'Scrolling Forum' at the following website (main page) -

http://www.revivalschool.com

PLEASE FORWARD This EMAIL TO OTHERS.

God bless you all,

Andrew Strom.