[anzac] THE END of EMPIRE AMERICA - Robert Holmes

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 19:22:58 +1300
NOTE from Mario Liu:  On 16 October 2008 I was in a prayer 
meeting with Robert Holmes, and Kurt Pfanstiel, who was visiting 
us from the USA. Robert shared with us a vision he has recently 
received. Robert had a vision of Alexander the Great standing 
victorious in the middle of USA.

We discussed about Robert's vision in some details. Alexander 
the Great in the vision was a foreign looking man. He was 
surrounded by many US citizens, who seemed to welcome 
Alexander as their leader. I asked Robert whether there were any 
signs of violence and Robert said no.

I remembered God has given similar visions before about 
Alexander the Great conquering USA and we did not understand 
God's meaning then. Now that God repeated this vision, I felt that 
there is significance in this and asked God for more revelations, 
such as which country is conquering USA, who is Alexander etc. 
But God did not give us any clear revelations apart from saying 
that "Alexander took Babylon without bloodshed."

After the US election, Robert recognised that the Alexander he 
saw was Obama. Then God revealed more information. These 
revelations are enclosed below... We need to pray.

-by Robert I Holmes.

This article will cover a range of issues which have been brewing 
for six to twelve months in my heart. History will judge America as 
an empire. That empire is coming to an end. The election of Barak 
Obama is a significant prophetic event, marking the sunset of that 
empire, and the rising of other powers in the earth who represent 
ancient powers and civilisations. These ideas have consequences 
for believers living both in the US and the countries who rely on her 
(like Australia). But to address those things, I need to go back 
eight years.

Standing in Upstate New York in 2000, I had a conversation with 
the Lord which I shall never forget. The Lord asked me "How long 
does an empire last?" to which I asked, "Am I standing in an 
empire?" [it did not occur to me that I was standing in the Empire 
State!]  Rather than answering me directly, He said, "All empires 
come to an end". I pondered this for a moment. What empire? 
Was this country coming to an end? Then He asked a third 
question: "How do people position themselves as an empire nears 
its eventual end?" The implications of his line of thought were clear. 
America had become an empire, had influenced the world, but was 
now nearing the end of her reign as a sovereign super power. God 
wanted his people to know, their day in the sun is ending; the 
sunset is coming. He wanted them to make preparations and

What is an Empire?

The concept of an American Empire was first popularized in the 
aftermath of the Spanish-American War of 1898 (during which it 
took control of the Philippines and other Pacific island nations).  
America rates as an empire not only because of her global 
sovereignty but because of her super power status.

She is actually the world's first "hyper power". Hubert Vedrine, the 
French Foreign Minister stated in July 2003 that, "The United 
States of America today predominates on the economic, monetary, 
technological and in the cultural arena in terms of power and 
influence it is not comparable to anything known in modern history - 
in short the US is a hyper puissance [hyper power]". (1) 

Alexander Cometh!

In 1999, as I prepared to travel to the US on ministry, the Lord gave 
me a very unusual prophetic word. He said that, "In the days of 
Babylon, when her walls stood wide and her leaders stood tall, her 
defences were strong and her campaigns victorious, Alexander the 
Great came and defeated her. In the same way, my Alexander will 
stand in the very midst of the United States of America".

The phrase "in the same way" indicates that America's walls are 
wide, her leaders stand tall, her defences are strong, her 
campaigns until now have been victorious. But a man like 
Alexander - someone God refers to as "my Alexander" will stand 
in her midst, victorious and defeat her. Alexander the Great, a 
Mediterranean Greek, defeated Darius the Mede in 331BC at the 
Battle of Gaugamela, and the gates of Babylon swung open to him 
(when he was just 25 years old). He stood in the midst of the 
courtyard declaring himself king. He then spent considerable time 
and effort trying to restore Babylon to its former glory.

As I prayed in preparation for going to the US two weeks ago on 
ministry again, I had a vision of a map of America from high above. 
There, almost in the centre of it was a marketplace. I zoomed 
down toward the marketplace, and saw a man standing there. I 
recognised by the Spirit that it was Alexander the Great, standing 
in a dusty, sandstone area, sword lifted high, victorious.

I believe that God's "Alexander" is Barak Obama. He has now 
stood in the middle of America, and declared his victory speech in 
Grant Park in Chicago. There, he prophetically declared, "Change 
has come to America," (6).  Yes indeed, it has. Barak, apart from 
having the appearance of a Middle Eastern or African man, is also 
very young and inexperienced. Barak Obama has not even had a 
full year in his senate position. I do not question the right of a 47 
year old to rule a nation, but his inexperience is not reduced by his 
amazing oratory skill. "Your sons will take the place of your fathers; 
you will make them princes throughout [in all] the earth," (Psalm 45:16 NIV).

He represents the end of empire America as we know it, and the 
opening of a new regime, one which, like Alexander, represents a 
conflagration of old powers: European, Middle Eastern and Asian. 
He will try to restore America's glory, but in doing so relegate her 
to second position on the global scene.

Chinese communist armies may well stand ready to invade the US, 
but she is extremely well guarded. Muslim extremists are surely 
planning further self-destructive attacks on US soil, but she is well 
prepared. It is certain that European economies seek to outflank 
the US, but given the present economic collapse, their hopes fall 
with the US.

There remains one great enemy the US has no protection against 
at all: themselves. It is to ourselves we must look. The society we 
have created, the environment we have destroyed, the economy 
we have overtaxed, the people we have abandoned, the poor we 
have ignored, the sin we have run toward, the morals we have 
abandoned. These things must change.

- Arrogance and greed are their own poison.

- Pride brings its own inevitable fall.

- Moral corruption is its own debilitating cancer.

America Is In the Cycle

In a substantial review of empires, Salem Kirban concluded that 
"world dominating civilizations progress through the following fairly 
well defined sequence of stages" (7):

- Bondage;

- Spiritual faith/ revival;

- Courage/ war;

- Liberty for the people;

- Prosperity/ abundance/ wealth;

- Complacency/ apathy;

- Dependency/ debt;

- Moral corruption/ addiction;

- Bondage.

It does not take an historian or a scholar to see that America has 
traversed her way through this very cycle of life, and finds herself in 
the dependency/debt and moral corruption/ addiction stages. 
National debt stands at 10,639,613,228,421 today (that's ten point 
six trillion and rising). It is the most indebted nation on earth. Debt 
stands at 70% of GDP. And to whom is that money owed? The US 
government itself owns about 43% of it. The next largest holder is 
the US Federal Reserve, and after that: Japan, China, Britain and 
Oil countries of the Middle East (who together hold 29%, which is 
more than private sector Americans).  About 66% of the debt 
owned by foreign nations is held by banks of other countries, in 
particular the central banks of Japan and China. (8)

Recall the prophetic words about the end of an empire, preparing 
for the days to come, and the appearance of an Alexander figure - 
the era of America's dominance is closing. Barak will oversee the 
increase of influence of foreign powers in the US: the power of 
ancient nations and forces. Specifically: European, Middle Eastern 
and Asian. The everyday mortgages of middle income Americans 
are owned by Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, which in turn are 
heavily indebted to Japan, China and Middle Eastern oil states. 
This situation will only get more and more entwined. America 
stands a very real exposure to risk should foreign banks stop 
buying Treasury securities or start selling them heavily.

This risk was addressed in a recent report issued by the Bank of
International Settlements which stated, "Foreign investors in U.S. 
dollar assets have seen big losses measured in dollars, and still 
bigger ones measured in their own currency. While unlikely, a 
sudden rush for the exits cannot be ruled out completely." (9). One 
economic analyst, Nouriel Roubini keenly observes, "The US has 
squandered its uni-polar moment, the decline of the American 
Empire - as the US was a global empire - has started... We are
indeed slowly moving towards a multi-polar world where there will 
be a balance of Great Powers rather than the hegemony of a single 
hyperpower." (10)

Change of Government, But No Change of Heart

There will be a change of president in the White House in January, 
2009. The US president is moving from Republican to Democrat, 
but that does nothing to change the heart of the nation. The rise of 
a Black leader does nothing to address the moral malady she is in. 
Obama is not the nation's savior. The nation is already deep in the 
throes of a national depression which will last between 2-10 years, 
it is the most indebted nation in history, and no man can rescue 
such a situation.

If Kirban is right, and if this word is true, the nation will bring 
herself undone. She will decay, and implode - and then bondage 
must come. As Irish philosopher Edmund Burke once said, 
"Society cannot exist unless a controlling power upon will and 
appetite be placed somewhere, and the less of it there is within, 
the more there must be without. It is ordained in the eternal 
constitution of things, that men of intemperate minds cannot be 
free. Their passions forge their fetters," (11). Our passions must 
necessarily forge external fetters to govern us. Famine, strife, 
martial law, war, invasion and poverty ensue.

God calls Barak Obama "my Alexander". His standing in the midst 
of America, victorious, was a prophetic announcement that change 
indeed has come to America. The American Empire is coming to 
an end. There is a global shift from a single super power to the rise 
of other powers in the earth. These ideas have consequences for 
believers living both in the US and the countries who rely on her. 
Our world is getting set to change!

Now God asks, "How will you position yourself as the empire 
nears its eventual end?"

~This article has been slightly abridged for space. To read the 
entire piece, please go to-  http://www.stormharvest.com.au/