How many licks does it take to get to the center of a Toostsie Roll Tootsie-Pop? Wuhun ...Too hoo...Thrreeee...crunch! Thrreee! Colin, True to your namesake, you cut to the bone of the issue. Make the origins of Dragons and DCs the same - a demonic heirarchy. Clean, concise, consistent with Scripture. No need to create an individual history of how each DC species fell or why. No room for debate on their redemptive potential. No need to waste anymore time. Cheers to you Orin Silverbranch! Brian Hill aka Brin Tor of Bonnifield Manor Brian R. Hill Agent Training Team ttt@... ------------------------------ Date: 9/9/98 10:15 PM To: Hill, Brian From: dragonraid Hi y'all, At the risk of being another one of the intellectuals who insist upon debating how many Woodsprites can dance on the head of a pin, I submit the following: In many places, the Bible alludes to an apparent hierarchy of Demonic forces. Consider these verses: Ephesians 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. (italics mine) Daniel 10:20 Then he said, "Do you understand why I came to you? But I shall now return to fight against the prince of Persia; so I am going forth, and behold, the prince of Greece is about to come. (italics mine) Granted, this may be a simple matter of personal interpretation, but the above verses DO suggest a hierarchy amongst the hordes of Hell. Even in Heaven, there are archangels, seraphim, cherubim, the weird eye-thingees, etc. So where am I going with all of this? Perhaps it would make more sense if the various DC's were simply lesser demons, with the dragons being the greater demons, or arrange it however you want. Either way, I believe there is a Scriptural precedent for this. Simply make the DC's invade Talania along with the dragons. Anyway, that's MY opinion on how many Woodsprites can dance on the head of a pin! :) Yours because we're HIS, Colin (Orin Silverbranch)