>> How do you know God didn't plan for us to die as it was? It >>would >>be more like a changing of stages though. We would move from one form > >>of >>contact with Him to another, leaving our body behind. God never says >>anywhere that His originally intent was for man to live forever on >>Earth. > >And it never says that it was His plan for us to die. We could go in >circles for a while about this, but in my opinion, which can not be >backed up by direct quotes from scripture, is that man was not >intended >to die. If he was, it would have been a very long life, compared to >ours. Maybe Adam would still be alive today if he had not fallen, who >knows. It all comes down to what you think anyway, I could stand here and tell you how ever verse could be wrong, but if you believe one way, unless someone has fail-safe proof, its just what you believe. >> Actually, He never actually breaks the rules except with >>Jesus' >>healing people. He always has bent the rules, staying within them, >but >>causing things to happen that would not otherwise. So, He doesn't >>break >>them, but He also doesn't follow them completely. > >God breaks the rules that we have to live by, that is physical laws. >He >can not break those higher laws that we do not understand, spiritual >and >all. He can not change, he can not be evil, etc. But those limited >physical laws He can transcend at will. How else can one explain >resurrections, healings, wine from water..... Jesus' miracles I cannot explain, but most of the others can be explained, thats what I was saying. There just so unprobable to happen at that point in time at that place, that you know it had to be God. >> That is another point. Do you believe in Pangea, or do you >>think >>God made the world as it is now? If you believe in Pangea then the >>world >>would have looked significantly different. > >I had never really considered that, but the beginning of Genesis does >not >place the garden of Eden anywhere specific. Pangea seems to be a >possibility. But after the flood, the earth had roughly its current >look. How do you know? It would make it easier for things like the tower of Bable too, when God sends people to all corners of the Earth, then the world split apart, and, they were sperated. >> Perhaps, but does that count all extinct species? And what >>about >>predators around with prey? And what about dinosaurs. I think if God >>told >>Noah to take everything, Noah would have taken everything. Not all >but >>the big things. > >Well, I hate to use what seems to be a cop-out, but God could have >interfered with natural laws and had predators eat vegetable matter >for >the voyage. As was mentioned, baby dinosaurs are small. In fact, all >of >the animals could have been newborns or young, they did not have to be >full grown like all the story books and paintings show. I have not >read >or heard about that either way. > >> Where do we go when we die then, just as a side question? > >Body to the grave, and spirit "present with the Lord" as Paul said. >Sounds like heaven until the resurrection of the dead when bodies and >spirits are reunited. > >> Yes. God knows exactly what we're going to do, but He allows >>us >>to do it anyway. Thats free choice. But it does not explain why God >>would >>put us in a limited space before we started dying unless He decided >it >>wasn't neccessary to make things different since HE knew we'd scew up >>before it mattered. He might have, but it doesn't seem to fit wiht >>what I >>know of God. He always seems to have a way it WOULD have worked had >we >>noit screwed up. > >Again, sounds like a cop-out, but none of us can claim to understand >why >God does what He does. What He allows us to understand is a blessing, >the rest we have to take on faith. That does not mean we are to be >ignorant and unlearned, just understand that human wisdom will not >cover >all the bases. > >> Yes, but man is an omnivore, how could tigers and lions eat >>plants anyway? They're just not equipped for it. > >Did you hear about the vegetarian cat food that came out a few years >ago? > Drove the cats nuts. Key proteins were not present and they suffered >mental problems and died. > >I don't know, maybe Adam sinned before the animals got hungry. ;-) > >> So, killing and death for food are not sins, becuase God puts >>people in situations where both of these things are neccessary for >>life. > >To start a whole 'nother discussion, neither is killing in war or for >punishment of crime. But that was not in the original plan either. Thats what I've been trying to tell alot of people. Its not the act thats wrong, its the motivation. Murder is worng, but killing isn't. Lying isn't worng, but bearing false witness to hurt someone or protect yourslef selfishly is. For example, people not admitting to hiding Jews form the Nazis or Christians from the Romans, was that really wrong? Just some more ideas. Greg >Joe R > >___________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at >http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html >or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > >-- >To unsubscribe, send ANY message to ><dragonraid-unsubscribe@...> > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]