I think you missed the word "supposed" below.  Matt
said, "isn't the church *supposed* to be" not isn't
the church *already* heaven on earth.  The answer to
that is "YES".  The church is supposed to show heaven
on earth.  We don't of course.  We fail miserably in
most cases, but I think if you study Christ's
teachings and Pauls you will see that if we did what
we were supposed to more often, the church would
represent what heaven is going to be right here on
earth.  Of course nothing man-made can ever be close
to God's creation, but with the help of the Holy
Spirit (which is God) we can reflect that perfection. 
The LL's are a reflection of Heaven!  That's what
we're trying to say.  And using your own argument; why
would the dragons come into the liberated land to face
God if he is everywhere?  Why would they subject
themselves to such vivid reminders of their defeat?  I
mean, all that worship and praise in the LL must drive
them crazy!!!

If you want dragons in cold environments, use
subterranean tunnels and warm volcanic castles and
summer excursions.  There is no need to rewrite the
history of Eden Again to fit your specific desires for
cold weather dragons.

 
--- Matthew Sims <msims@...> wrote:
> > LightRaiders leave the LL because the OLMN
> wants/commands them to do
> > so.  Besides isn't the Church *supposed* to be
> "heaven on Earth"?
> >
> 
> No.  Nothing "man-made" can ever be close to God's
> creation.
> 
> > Heaven, really, is any place that the Lord dwells
> in an active manner.
> > While the Lord is everywhere-present, we can
> safely say that He only
> > dwells in us Believers.
> 
> The Lord dwells wherever He deems necessary.  It is
> human arrogance to think that God only
> uses Christians to set an example.  He has used
> non-Christains to work His way before.
> Some of them actually converted to Christianity
> eventually.
> 
> > It's the same on EdenAgain; the OLMN is
> everywhere, however, it's only
> > in the LL that the OverLord has an active
> presence.  By extension, since
> > we carry the "Church" (the Body of Christ, since
> we *are* the Body of
> > Christ) wherever we go, TwiceBorn carry a bit of
> the LL wherever they
> > go.
> >
> > If the Church (and individual Christians) were to
> ever be as I believe
> > Jesus Christ envisioned it, we'd see an
> "organization" of people that
> > resembles the LL: people would be unified,
> unafraid of the future, fully
> > controlled by the Spirit and in the will of God. 
> People would still sin
> > (we aren't perfect yet) but sin would have no
> "enchanting" power that it
> > does in the world.  It would be harder to sin when
> you see and
> > _understand_ the grace and blessings of God.  I
> think the LL is such an
> > ideal church applied to a "country" -- if you
> subscribe to a literal
> > Millennial Reign of Christ, it's easier to
> imagine.  (During the
> > Millennial Reign, the influence of the devil is
> completely removed from
> > the Earth, combined with the glorious direct rule
> of Christ, the
> > workings of sin would be radically reduced but sin
> itself not yet
> > removed from the human heart.  A similar situation
> exists in the LL:
> > protection from external evil and a personal,
> albeit mystical, ruling
> > OLMN.)
> >
> 
> Sin still has some power.  Too many Christians in my
> lifetime have their "pet sins" hidden
> from others in the Church.  To strive to become
> Christ-like is what's right, but we still
> battle sin.
> 
> 
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