Hello, This makes me think of something that my pastor told me while we were discussing RPG's. He felt that we all have to live our own lives, and that if you know the Lord HE will let you know if something is wrong. I say to you all that God has NEVER failed to warn me away when something is inappropriate, the trick is to listen AND to take the warning. One thing that I love in Tolkiens Ring books is that no human uses magic without being perverted by darkness. Examples of this are the ringwraiths, who were all sorceror kings, most notably their leader, known as the witch-king. The only exception to this that I can think of is the Beornings who could take the forms of bears and had other abilities, though I am not sure if they were men. As many of you out there know, Gandalf and the other members of his order were not human, but Miar spirits (lesser angels) known as the Istari, This is how/why Gandalf defeated the balrog of moria with his hands (a feat of obvious superhuman power) and NOT with spells. Elves on occasion were able to work magics, though mostly in the form of craftsmanship honed over immortal life-spans, they were closer to the Valar and Miar (greater and lesser angels) than mankind. If you have not read it, read the Silmarillion by J.R.R. Tolkien, its a long read, but wirth it. Prof Tolkien was a man who thought in immense depth, everything in his world was steeped in histories so vast that few within them are aware of them in entirety. The magic in Tolkiens work is not utilitarian, as it does not exist solely as a plot motivator, but a symbol of deeper workings. There is always a bigger picture, one that mortals are ill-equiped to percieve (just like in our own world). His work has found its place in the bookshelves of many a pagan, who do not realize what the story is really about. They just know that it holds something that they want, Perhaps this is a evangelization tool that has gone unused. I feel that any work that stirs within the breast, a desire to resist and wage war on evil deserves applause (and double applause if it is Christian). Too many sources of fiction and philosophy push a "no absolutes" world view, (all fantasy fans have seen them) that there is no good and evil etc. I think the body of Christ should be rallying against them (pick your target) rather than Harry Potter, which makes more of a moral stand than a dozen other movies or books put together that came out this year. And children WANT to read them! I realize that for some reason, children (and far too many adults) seem to feel that things seen on the screen (whether movies or TV) are real. When I watched I Dream of Genie I never thought that I would actually find a genie in a lamp (though I did fantasize about the concept). I dont see anyone protesting that on Nick at Night, why? because its just a story, for fun. I also read stories about king arthurs knights and merlin, and never once attached any occult significance to his powers (and I was a pretty imaginative kid). GOD bless! Aaron -too honest to be politically correct- Siddall At 09:30 AM 12/18/01 -0800, you wrote: > up what I'm trying to remember. What I connect with in all this is that >a shift has taken place with the popularity of "Potter" books and movies, >which has created a less naive world for grade school kids on up on the >subject of the occult. No matter how well we as Christians try to >differentiate the "Potter" material from Tolkien and Lewis, it does not >come across well at all in the public, non-Christian forum. Our >explanations (the better ones) as to why these two brilliant author's >utilitarian use of the occult in their books (spells, magic, >teleportations, telekinesis, etc..) sound arbitrary and biased. & >tolerable and redemptive. That same thing cannot be said defensibly today, >as it could, lets say 10-20 years ago. This is of course, my humble >yet firm conviction, and I would that it be yours. As LOTR comes out and is >grouped with the Potter genre, we are definitely going to be challenged on >these issues. I recommend to you John White's book, When the Spirit Comes >in Power, and in particular, the danger even in the seductiveness of God's >power (much like Tolkien's ring, and Lewis' turkish delight, loosely pu >----- Original Message ----- From: Joe K Revesz To: >dragonraid@... Sent: 12/18/2001 5:10:02 AM Subject: [DragonRaid] >Re: Christian MMORPG