Guys, I just thought of this (Joe I'm sorry it's so late). Why not make the Water Troll able to fight though its arm may be removed and it is bleeding to death? If their nickname came from Beowolf (Grendel)? Just some more thoughts... In the (Over)Lord's service, Zack "BearClaw" Kirback --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!