Yes, Derek Smith, the toolbox routine FN FINDFOLDER(...) is perhaps the most convenient way to find the standard folders within the system folder. Actually, one is not restricted to use _kOnSystemDisk. One may specify any volRefNum, e.g. if one needs a temporary folder on an arbitrary volume... The toolbox and FB know several predefined constants for the second argument (the desired folder) of the routine: _"amnu" apple menu items _"ctrl" control panels _"desk" desktop folder _"extn" system extensions _"font" fonts folder _"pref" preferences _"prnt" print monitor documents _"strt" startup items _"macs" system folder _"temp" temporary items _"trsh" single user trash _"empt" shared trash on net At least on my machine under MacOS 7.5.5 and using FBII the predefined constant _kCreateFolder is not functional. Under FB it is defined as _kCreateFolder=1. For my purposes I define a constant _createFolder=256 (Pascal True) which works reliably. Staz told me that -- at least under FB^3 -- everything works well with _kCreateFolder=1. Best wished to all Herbie ****************************************** H.Glu@...