Morris, It seems to me that you haven't yet read through all the documentation on the Toolbox and what you can do with it. If you're programming the Mac, you really must read this. Firstly because it'll make your programming much easier, and secondly because the Mac was _designed_ to be programmed with the Toolbox. You'll find it all explained in the FB documentation. And before anyone comes back and says "it's not necessary", I know it's not essential, but it's highly desirable. Phil.