Geoff, > In the latter case, REALbasic supports plug-ins so > it would be fair for us to write the code as a > plug-in and call it from the RB app. Certainly. When FB pulls out all the stops, REALbasic can and should do the same. Purves was damn quick to provide his entry, with complete source code included. As time passes we are beginning to wonder whether REALbasic CAN pull out the stops. And at what price, and with what sourcecode. When I buy a compiler that is a key question I ask even if 99% of my programming will be pedestrian. Let's see what your guys can do. Cheers, Larry S. PS. Have you posted a Wintel binary? Do. That is still your greatest potential arguing point.