mark said: > Nobody who's making money > can ever seem to do enough > to placate those others who > would have them give their money away. there's no use even having a conversation if you're just gonna twist everything said. let the robber barons keep their money, but for crying out loud, take the handcuffs off the machines. i'm not asking anyone to "give their money away", i'm simply asking them to make good on their self-inflated grandiose claims of "innovation". i haven't seen much of _anything_ in the last decade that is even close to deserving an accolade so sweeping, indeed i see plenty of evidence to the contrary every day. for my money, andy g. has out-innovated all their millions. but maybe i'm just blind to the progress that's been made. perhaps someone would like to delineate it for me... -bowerbird p.s. and no, my friends, i.c.q. is _not_ it...