I failed to post this during the change over.... digest mode problems. Some of it is out of date, but somewhat relevant. The real Q is this one... Is there a quick, one command way of changing the sign of a number... say from 102.092 to -102.092? I'm using a fairly simple method at the moment, but elegant it aint. I wouldn't want my wife or kids to see it. On the CR-R issue. The current street price here on Kodak CDR blanks (which are meant to be fairly reliable) is just over $3.20. You can buy them in bulk for $2.50 each. In US money that's less than $2 each. Almost less than a good floppy. The discs do seem to vary, and I had several failures with the first batch I got with the recorder. This was a bundle deal through AAPDA Australia where you got the drive (Smart & Friendly) Toast (and Director) for either $690 or $790. At these prices its by far the cheapest form of storage, but its complicated. To have a reasonable chance of success I use a clean MO disc or partition to store the disc material on before burning, then run norton and speed disc, and then turn off everything and reboot just for the burn. Not a trivial operation, and one where a 4x burner would seem really good value. JC ========================================================================== John Clark Aeronaut Automation 30 Kennedy Place Bayview 2104 Australia Phone: 61 2 99 97 28 42 Fax: 61 2 99 79 56 15 email: ArtVandals@... Visit the web site at <http://cygnus.uwa.edu.au/~peterh/> ==========================================================================