Hi All, First of all apologies for the delay in responding but this was my first opportunity to reply. Looks like I stirred up another one with this subject. Thank you Hans and Ken for the pointers to WDEF's. I ended up using the one that Hans posted. The one Ken posted looked like it had some very cool variants but made my computer crash :-(. Thank you both for your assistance. As for round windows in general I tend to agree with Jonathan. Unfortunately there are always exceptions to the rules. Mine was an about box that contained round graphics. A round window was more fitting in this case. A round 'About Box' how's that for an oxymoron. Most of my programming is games and why, NO RULES! There is no HIG... It's the Wild West out here! Nothing telling what you must and shouldn't do. Your only boundaries are your imagination and talent. I urge you all to give it a try. Craig >>You would find a WDEF builing program at >> >>www.pascal-central.com/ingemars-corner.html >> >>Look for IngisWDEF-13.hqx >> >>Note added in proof: And here's a URL to download one directly from Info-Mac: >> >>ftp://ftp.nic.surfnet.nl/mirror/infomac/dev/lib/ingis-wdef-11-p.hqx >> >>Hans > > >While you are here, take a look at: > ><ftp://ftp.nic.surfnet.nl/mirror/infomac/dev/lib/round-window-21.hqx> > >Here are pre-made round window WDEFs ready to drop into your program. > >Ken ====================================================================== Aztech Professional On-Site Service * Craig Hoyt * Phone: 818-773-0864 Fax: 818-773-0675 * E-mail: craig@... * Web: http://www.aztech4mac.com Macintosh Technology Solutions Since 1984 =======================================================================