You are right. It is: Do // do code stuff Until conditionIsTrue and the While-Wend is: While conditionIsTrue // do code stuff Wend On Saturday, December 14, 2002, at 11:05 AM, Jay Reeve wrote: > means do forever! It is used for loops that should never end at UNTIL, > but have some other exit mechanism within the loop. > > using "myExpression = _nil" would end the loop any time myExpression = > 0, so it's not the same at all. > > ---- Scott Spencer SJ3 Solutions sj3@... "Mac OS X Solutions and Support"