I had run Bernie's TWM demo for a few days before I left for nearly a month's vacation. PayPal was down then and I couldn't buy it. When I found on my return that I could no longer upgrade I wrote to Bernie directly and he let me to buy it. I find it extremely useful. No, it isn't perfect by any means; I've managed to screw it up several times, but having said that, I think TWM is a vital tool for building a nice interface and really should be part of the suite provided with FB4. I endorse it heartily, a few minor warts and all. I think perhaps Bernie was being a bit too sensitive to complaints; he has a good product. Adam Bell At 8:43 AM -0800 11/28/04, Scott Spencer wrote: >Bruce, > >Perhaps Bernie can speak to this best. > >I too was disappointed to see Bernie's decision on this as I think >TWM is one of the best FB GUI builders I've seen, and is a perfect >companion to FB4. > >I know Bernie was put off by some negative comment by one or two >licensees, but I would suspect that the majority were happy with it. >One caveat is that TWM is an interface builder and is NOT a program >generator. It will not include a lot of the functionality code >which PG did, and maybe that important fact was overlooked by some >who purchased the product. > >The lack of interest thing also bothers me, because I think the FB >community NEEDS TWM (or something like it) at this important time. >I see TWM as an important companion to FB4. Staz must have also >recognized its worth because a demo was included with FB4. I could >see TWM eventually being an important (maybe even a must have tool) >for every FB programmer, but I'm sure the lack of interest is pretty >frustrating to the developer. > >All I can do is encourage Bernie to give it more time, but alas it >is his decision. I personally would like to see TWM made available >to all FB programmers. > >BTW, Bernie is still continuing to develop TWM, just not sell it or >make it available to new users. However, if you ask him nicely, he >may make it available to you. > >On Nov 27, 2004, at 10:54 PM, Bruce Moore wrote: > >>I am doing a major overhaul of a PG FB3 carbon app and I was >>thinking of getting "the window maker" since PG doesn't seem to be >>doing much. I discovered the developer's page and although the news >>release says vers 1.4.6 was only introduced this summer, it is >>discontinued "due to lack of interest" . Gee, looks like they would >>have given it a little more time. >> >>I wonder if Staz has a plan to upgrade Program generator? >> >>Bruce Moore >>Manassas, VA >> >>-- >> >---- >Scott Spencer >sj3@... > >--