On Dec 9, 2008, at 1:43 AM, Alain Wrobel submitted two of Ken's demos: Thanks Alain. Unfortunately, I can't achieve the desired result because the mail won't send over port 25 ( Operation timed out (port 25) messages in the log ). I can't expect end users to configure their machines, so these methods ( thanks again Deep for submitting the example ) are, unfortunately, not useable in an app that runs on another machine ( i.e. not my own ). What I wonder is how the applications ( like the Mail app from Apple ) overcome this issue. Brian S.