Herbie wrote:

>... it is simply not true to state that Apple wants too kill Java.

HHhhmmm I wonder if the same could be said of Flash... or Carbon, for
that matter?

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Interesting, since both can hardly be compared with the Java issue.

Carbon and the current Java issue appear related because both mean 
less effort for Apple (and more): back and forward compatibility. 
They are however different with respect to coders: While the use of 
Java on Macs won't break for the time being (see my first post in 
this thread), the end of Carbon is of much greater impact (see the 
various discussions on this list).

Apple's commitment for Java was not really necessary. It was perhaps 
partly "politically" motivated and partly due to the fact that Apple 
wasn't sure whether ObjC will widely be accepted by the coders. In 
contrast, Carbon was meant as a transitional technique from the very 
beginning and everybody could read about this fact in Apple's Carbon 
documents.

Flash is a different issue. It concerns iPhone and iPad only. Flash 
runs and is available for Macs.

However, I fully agree with your view if it goes to the far future. 
As mentioned before, if Apple starts with restricting Mac software 
and its distribution as it currently does for the iPhone and iPad, 
then we will be faced with an intolerable kind of monopoly. Actually, 
I'm less upset about the situation with the iPhone and iPad because I 
judge both as being more or less toys for men and they were 
introduced with this restriction.

Thanks for exchanging ideas
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                   Herbie

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