Mac OS 8.5 is coming shortly, folks; and it looks like a winner. The "flash" is there with the appearance stuff, but more important (to me anyway) is the greatly increased speed on PowerMacs. (More PPC-native code, some G3 specific stuff.) The file system and networking have been particularly improved. (MacAddict has a decent overview, I'm sure MacWorld will have more depth next week.) From another list; --------------- > Allegro networking speed.... > Courtesy an anonymous reader: > > I've been using 8.5b2, and wanted to test it's network copy improvements, > after seeing the Macworld keynote. I set up a test to see how true it is > in the build. > > I created at .sit file of 100.4 MB. I copied it three ways to tell the > difference. All tests were using G3/300 with F/W SCSI, and lots of RAM. > > Over 8.1, the same file copy took 3min 42sec. > > In 8.5: > To NT 4.0: 42sec To 8.5 (Appletalk): 1min 32 sec To 8.5 > (Appleshare IP 6, TCP): 14sec !! > That means a rate of 60 MBits/sec! The highest our network engineer has > seen is 30 MBits/sec from an NT. 60 MBits/sec is close to the theoretical > maximum of 100baseT. I ran the last test off RAM disks, because my F/W > was becoming the bottleneck! Finally. --------- Another comment: >BTW, short of a few annoying glitches, b2 is very usable. Much more stable >than the TI installation of Windows95.... ;-) Looks like a tested release >compaired to w98! --------- And finally, the Java stuff is greatly improved in 8.5 - the speed is now _very_ competitive with the best Windows implementations, with more improvements to come. (Although I still think Java is more hype than substance, it's gradually getting better....) Bill