>Has anyone any experience using the pictorial programming language Prograph? > Dale, I tried it for a while about 5 years ago, before coming to FB. It's hard for me to give a good evaluation because the entire Mac environment was new to me at that time. I seem to recall that it will allow toolbox calls--or at least some of them (like FB). I think its organization probably helped me make the move to Mac programming, but I found the interface a bit cumbersome (heavily mouse-reliant). It may be another good choice for getting something up quick and dirty. I still have it if anyone wants to buy it cheap. I haven't run across it for years--is it still supported? I could look in the docs if you have specific questions about its capabilities. 0"0 =J= a y "