-----Original Message-----
From: Steven G. Rockhill [mailto:revrock@...]
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 2:59 PM
To: pastorsforum@...
Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Contradiction?


Can someone be a member of a local visible church and not be saved?

Yes


Can someone be truly saved and not be a member of a local visible church?

Yes


Does church membership always equal those who are truly saved?  Are they
  totally different?  or is there some overlap?

No


Remember God sees what we cannot see (into the hearts of men).  But just
because we can't see it doesn't mean that it does not exist.  In this
way, the true Church (true believers with a true heart for God) which
God sees is in a certain way invisible to us.  Hence, the Invisible Church.

They may be saved and not part of the church but part of the Family of God.




Peace,
Steve

Pastor David Warner wrote:
> Just a real quick response.  You're hung up on the church (singular) as
> though it exists in the world today.  The churches exist today and they
> are the church that will be gathered in heaven.  I even emphasized the
> WILL BE in the previous.  It is the church in prospect; the church that
> is the Bride when He calls it to the great assembly in heaven.  So when
> I speak of the church that will be gathered, I am not speaking of some
> invisible assembly that is scattered universally today.  All that exists
> today is the churches in local, visible assemblies as previous defined
> in a previous post. It is your misunderstanding that causes you to see
> "double talk" and "contradictions" that do not exist.  There is the
> "church" local and visible which we may speak of as many churches.
> There is the church as an institution but only existing in local visible
> assemblies.  There is the church which shall be gathered when the Lord
> calls His Bride to the marriage.  Hope this helps,
>
> David Warner
>
>
>
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: Pastor Dickinson [mailto:PastorDickinson@...]
>     Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 12:35 PM
>     To: pastorsforum@...
>     Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Contradiction?
>
>     David,
>     There.........You did it again [contradiction]: (My comments in red)
>
>         ----- Original Message -----
>         From: Pastor David Warner <mailto:dwarner@...>
>         To: pastorsforum@... <mailto:pastorsforum@...>
>         Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 12:05 PM
>         Subject: RE: [PastorsForum] Contradiction?
>
>         No contradiction at all.  I'm not sure what you thought was but
>         I do know this; it is hard to understand when all one has taught
>         is the tradition of the universal invisible church. (This is NOT
>         all I have been taught. I too acknowledge the local assemblies
>         also called the church(es) but they ARE part of THE Church). If
>         one can put that aside and think fresh, (I Agree, but with
>         reverse implications) they will see the visible local assemblies
>         (Here is a reference to the local church which I don't
>         deny...never have...never will) and the church (Now...If I am
>         not mistaken, the church is the one that we have been referring
>         too...The Church...singular...you used the term yourself...If
>         you are not talking about the same One Body, The Bride, The
>         Church...then what are you referring to?) that WILL BE gathered
>         in heaven.
>         Sorry, time constraints don't allow a lot from me this week but
>         Mike is doing a pretty good job of trying to explain it to you
>         all (Mike is double talking as well...He too won't acknowledge
>         that he has made reference to both the local and the universal
>         church).
>         David W
>
>         In the end...we will understand. It is a shame that confusion
>         has come about as a result of erroneous teaching or fear of
>         being identified with a wayward group (cult) like the Roman
>         Catholics. Just because they and the JW's and Latter Day's
>         (Mormons) and others use the term "Church" doesn't mean they
>         are. The are NOT. I can sit in my garage all day and say "I'm a
>         car" but I won't ever be one (only a nut). So I don't ever
>         include them in the grouping know as The Church (Universal /
>         Invisible made up of all local assemblies of all Bible
>         believing, true Born again Christians from every generation).
>
>

--
To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: pastorsforum-unsubscribe@...

"In essential things, unity; in non-essential things, liberty; and in all
things, charity."