When is he coming to visit you Jeff? Perhaps some reject David Cloud because you, Bro. Fidel, and myself appreciate this man of God and the work he does both as a writer and missionary. To me, he is a much better example of selflessness and love and sacrifice than Mother Teresa. Yet, a look at LifeWay will reveal that Mother Teresa is extolled and honored and revered much more than David Cloud. I haven't checked but I dare say they have none of his material in their bookstore but have much from those who have faulty doctrine on some clear Biblical issues. David Warner -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Hallmark [mailto:bc_preacher@...] Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 12:09 PM To: pastorsforum@... Subject: RE: [PastorsForum] Lifeway I know, some think God can't use David Cloud. However, I get his missionary letter telling of what God is doing in Nepal. I just checked his internet site Way of Life, which had 5505 hits recorded by 1000Baptistsites, and over 11,000 hits by another counter, and these hits were just yesterday. Folk that is over thousands a hits a day, WoL is in the top 10 sites everyday. Now I am not sure of all the admin. gifts in Romans 12. But one of them is the gift of prophecy, prophecy is to Abhor that which is evil: and cleave to that which is good. I think that is how it is to line up. Just thinking off the top of me head. B-) If that is the case then David is using the gift God gave him. Now I think some say Peter had this gift and it got Peter in to a lot of trouble. If so, then that must be true with David C. Any who, David is my friend and we support him with our prayers and offerings. Jeff > > No offense meant to any one, but the article sounds like it is little more > than petty jealousy on the part of the writer. When we can get past the "I'm > better than you because..." mentality God will use us in mighty ways. God > can not do much with us with all of our "religious" undies in a bunch. The > issue seems to be more of earthly pride, than anything else. > > Remember the words of Jesus; > > Luke 9:49-50 (New King James Version) > 49 Now John answered and said, "Master, we saw someone casting out demons in > Your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow with us." 50 But > Jesus said to him, "Do not forbid him, for he who is not against us is on > our side." > > Chuck Schobert > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pastor David Warner [mailto:dwarner@...] > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 10:00 AM > To: pastorsforum@... > Subject: RE: [PastorsForum] Lifeway > > > Here is the article that started all this debate. The criticism is not so > much with the SBC as with fundamental Baptists. Our SBC friends on the > forum didn't like the mention of SBC, I guess, in showing the downward trend > among fundamental Baptists. This article was written to fundamental Baptist > to alert them to an event that Brother Cloud sees, I think, as more of the > slippery slope in religious affairs. > > David Warner > > > SOUTHERN BAPTIST CHOSEN TO HEAD THE INDEPENDENT BAPTIST NETWORK. > Friday Church News Notes, April 1, 2005 (Fundamental Baptist > Information Service, www.wayoflife.org fbns@..., > 866-295-4143) - A Southern Baptist has been selected to head the > misnamed Independent Baptist Network. According to the Baptist Bible > Tribune, the voice of the Baptist Bible Fellowship International > (BBFI), John Rawlings has announced that Gene Sims has agreed to head > the IBN and oversee its newly established office in Atlanta. Sims was > vice president of Lifeway Christian Resources, the chain of worldly, > ecumenical bookstores associated with the Southern Baptist > Convention, where you can find the raunchiest "Christian" rock as > well as books promoting a wide assortment of heretics and > compromisers, such as Mother Teresa, C.S. Lewis, Chuck Colson, and > Billy Graham. Southern Baptists can't be faulted for joining the IBN, > but fundamental Baptists once knew better. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Schobert [mailto:cschobert@...] > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 9:53 AM > To: Pastorsforum > Subject: [PastorsForum] Lifeway > > > Since when is Lifeway liberal? What have they done that says they are > liberal? Do not give me generalities, give me specifics. If we are going to > "throw stones" I think it would be wise to know of what we are talking > about. Churches are in the habit of throwing the terms "liberal" and > "conservative" and even "fundamentalist" around so much the meanings have > been watered down to simply mean if you agree with me your what I am if not, > then your the other. > > Because I work in a hospital, does that make me a doctor, because some who > work there are Doctors? Because I go to a Giants game does that make me a > football player. Because I work at a company that there may be some who are > "liberal" in their doctrine, does that mean I am automatically a liberal? > > If we spent as much time lifting Christ as we do kicking or own, how vast > would the kingdom be!!!!! > > > Chuck Schobert > > ****** Internet E-Mail Confidentiality ****** > The information contained in this communication is the property of CCMH and > contains confidential and privileged information intended on for the > personal and confidential use of the individual or entity to whom it is > addressed. 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