Whoa.  Nice post Mike.  I agree with Mike and Jeff on this.  What seems to
me to be sloppy, Steve, is when one make everything an allegory or
figurative without justification from the context.  So, guess we are going
to see this differently as it has to do with the past, just like we see
things differently like the rapture and the millennium as they have to do
with the future.

David Warner


-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Tittle [mailto:drmike1@...]
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 9:55 AM
To: pastorsforum@...
Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Satan Beauty & Wisdom


Hi Steve

Many commentaries see the king of Tyre as satan, because satan is the power
behind this evil king.  Much like when Christ called Peter by the name
satan.  You know, "Get the behind me satan."

The idea is that satan is the power or the driving force behind these men.

The historic fall of Satan, otherwise not directly described in the Bible
but alluded to in a number of passages, supplied the background terminology
and metaphor for this text, just as it did for Isaiah 14. His fall from
heaven back, apparently, before time began will supply the model for the
fall of the king of Tyre, as it had for the king of Babylon.

But in keeping with the concept of inaugurated eschatology, in which both
the near and the distant future are brought together in one horizon, the
fall of the king of Tyre will be but a small indication of what the fall of
Satan will be like in the final day.

The king of Tyre was compared to the Evil One himself, who was in the Garden
of Eden, the garden of God. But this exalted one became corrupt and lost his
position in heaven. Similarly, the king of Tyre is about to lose his
position for the same reasons: he exalted himself above God. Thus the
description seems to shift back and forth from the king of Tyre to Satan
himself, but that fluidity of language can be seen elsewhere as the near
fulfillments of many prophecies do not embrace the totality of the language
as the final fulfillment does.

Taken from "Hard Sayings of the Bible"


Mike T



----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven G. Rockhill" <revrock@...>
To: <pastorsforum@...>
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Satan Beauty & Wisdom


> Okay,
>   This seems to me to be a perfect example of what I mentioned earlier.
> Taking a passage out of context and adding a whole lot of speculation to
> it.  Where in this passage or it's context does it say this refers to
> Satan.  Where is the connection made that the King of Tyre is Satan? Maybe
> if it was the King of Babylon it might be a possibility. The reference to
> Eden does not necessarily have to be a reference to the literial place -
> the King of Tyre was wealthy and pampered - a near utopia as Eden.  To say
> that this passage refers to Satan has absolutely no biblical or exegetical
> grounding whatsoever.  It seems that the approach was to have a conception
> or idea in one's head and then search out a Scripture passage that can be
> vaguely construed to refer to it. Sorry guys, this is just sloppy in my
> opinion.
>
> Peace,
> Steve
>

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