DW,
   you can check my response to Mike on this - but again there is 
absolutely nothing in the passage itself or the context or sound 
biblical exegesis that would allow us to say that we can glean from this 
a description or history of Satan.  Nothing - the only thing that works 
to make this connection is working from a preconceived framework and 
then hunting around looking for passages that can be construed to fit 
and support that framework.  We are called to draw out of the text it's 
meaning and expound it, not read into it what we want to see and find 
there.
    Also, who said anything about allegory?  I believe this passage is 
talking about a real and living person who was king of the real city of 
Tyre.

Not saying that I am the neatest guy, you should see my desk  :-) , but 
I do think we all need to exercise due diligence in our handling the 
word of God.  And the connection being espoused between this passage and 
Satan does not show that diligence.

Love ya bro, but just see this as way off.

Peace,
Steve


Pastor David Warner wrote:

> Whoa.  Nice post Mike.  I agree with Mike and Jeff on this.  What seems to
> me to be sloppy, Steve, is when one make everything an allegory or
> figurative without justification from the context.  So, guess we are going
> to see this differently as it has to do with the past, just like we see
> things differently like the rapture and the millennium as they have to do
> with the future.
> 
> David Warner
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Tittle [mailto:drmike1@...]
> Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 9:55 AM
> To: pastorsforum@...
> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Satan Beauty & Wisdom
> 
> 
> Hi Steve
> 
> Many commentaries see the king of Tyre as satan, because satan is the power
> behind this evil king.  Much like when Christ called Peter by the name
> satan.  You know, "Get the behind me satan."
> 
> The idea is that satan is the power or the driving force behind these men.
> 
> The historic fall of Satan, otherwise not directly described in the Bible
> but alluded to in a number of passages, supplied the background terminology
> and metaphor for this text, just as it did for Isaiah 14. His fall from
> heaven back, apparently, before time began will supply the model for the
> fall of the king of Tyre, as it had for the king of Babylon.
> 
> But in keeping with the concept of inaugurated eschatology, in which both
> the near and the distant future are brought together in one horizon, the
> fall of the king of Tyre will be but a small indication of what the fall of
> Satan will be like in the final day.
> 
> The king of Tyre was compared to the Evil One himself, who was in the Garden
> of Eden, the garden of God. But this exalted one became corrupt and lost his
> position in heaven. Similarly, the king of Tyre is about to lose his
> position for the same reasons: he exalted himself above God. Thus the
> description seems to shift back and forth from the king of Tyre to Satan
> himself, but that fluidity of language can be seen elsewhere as the near
> fulfillments of many prophecies do not embrace the totality of the language
> as the final fulfillment does.
> 
> Taken from "Hard Sayings of the Bible"
> 
> 
> Mike T
> 
> 
>