Thanks Derick. I'll look for it.
DW
-----Original Message-----
From: Derick Dickens [mailto:Derick@...]
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 12:59 PM
To: pastorsforum@...
Subject: RE: [PastorsForum] Baptist Women in Ministry
David
You and I have a lot in common. Similar instance, a little different
but very close. I lasted 2 months shy of 2 years at my Pastorate. When
in my ABC church after I was saved, God gifted me with not taking
anyone's word but always turning to the Bible--which served me well in
College at Marshall being taught by liberals. So, I took my first Youth
Pastorate in a SBC church but realized the liberalism in my old church
and have never been welcomed back. After my Youth Pastorate was done
(while in college) I went to an IFB church because it was the only one
preaching the Gospel in our area. That church and I still keep in
contact and respect one another. The ABC church, on the other hand,
tried to keep me as far away as possible because of my heretical
conservative beliefs... Which I gladly stand by.
About my paper, it is a couple of years old but I will get it to you.
My father is in town this weekend so I should have it by Monday on the
site for you to download.
Derick
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Wallers Baptist Church
Pastor
derick@...
PO Box 95
Partlow VA 22534
tel: 540-582-5703
mobile: 540-894-1772
www.thedickensfamily.org
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pastor David Warner [mailto:dwarner@...]
> Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 11:52 AM
> To: pastorsforum@...
> Subject: RE: [PastorsForum] Baptist Women in Ministry
>
>
> I didn't begin there but I took a church once that told me
> they wanted to be taught the Word of God because they had
> begun to see things in the American Baptist that didn't seem
> right. Some did want to be taught, and some didn't. Being
> an independent Baptist you can imagine the result. I left
> after 18 months (on my own) but by then things were getting
> nasty with interference from "on high" as they didn't want to
> lose this church est. in 1805. It was a trophy. God cleaned
> out most of the saved folks from that church and they are not
> attending several good churches in that area. Financially,
> this was the best I ever had in the ministry. This was in
> 1995 and my basic package was $45,000. However, I wasn't for
> sale. They WERE debating homosexuals in churches and
> ministry and they HAD women in pastoral positions. Derick, I
> would be very interested in seeing your report on that
> denomination. I have one too, which is mostly just quotes
> from their own writing and some reporting on their actions.
> David Warner
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Derick Dickens [mailto:Derick@...]
> Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 9:36 AM
> To: pastorsforum@...
> Subject: RE: [PastorsForum] Baptist Women in Ministry
>
>
> Jerry,
>
> Hey, why don't you debate the issue rather than just post
> things. The American Baptists are well down the Downgrade of
> apostacy. I have written a report on this denomination, for
> I began in that denomination. At their Biennial four years
> ago their keynote speaker was Walter Wink of the Jesus
> Seminar where they deny 75% of the Gospels. The last
> Bienniel they had Katie Cannon who does not believe
> pre-marital sex is wrong, that God is a woman (The Voices of
> Sophie movement), and that the Bible is not to be trusted.
> This year their keynote is Molly Marshall who believes people
> can get into heaven by another way than Jesus Christ and that
> the Bible is not innerant.
>
> The fallacy you seem to be posting is that because a lot of
> people do it we should accept it. Well, a lot of people
> could be wrong. The issue is what the Bible says not whether
> it seems acceptable among the AOG or the apostate ABC-USA.
>
> Derick
>
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> Wallers Baptist Church
> Pastor
> derick@...
> PO Box 95
> Partlow VA 22534
> tel: 540-582-5703
> mobile: 540-894-1772
> www.thedickensfamily.org
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>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jerry Martin [mailto:revjm@...]
> > Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 12:01 AM
> > To: Pastorsforum@...
> > Subject: [PastorsForum] Baptist Women in Ministry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > American Baptist Women in Ministry Report
> >
> > Please note: An error was identified in the 2002 statistics
> previously
> > posted. The 2002 statistics now posted below the 2003
> statistics are a
> > corrected version. We apologize for the error.
> >
> > As of June 5, 2003
> >
> > The following information has been compiled primarily from the
> > ordained and non-ordained classification of the
> Professional Registry
> > Listing of June 5, 2003. The number in the first column
> indicates the
> > number of women in each category and the percentage figure in the
> > second column represents the percent of the category represented by
> > women.
> >
> > Women in ABC Personnel System: 705 23%
> > Women in Professional Registry Mailing List (Ordained
> > Only): 1,392 21%
> > Women in Professional Registry Mailing List (Ordained and
> > Non-ordained): 2,045 19%
> >
> > Serving in Local Churches . . . . . . 1069
> > 15%
> > Pastors 410 9%
> > Associate Pastors 201 32%
> > Minister - Children 64 81%
> > Minister - Evangelism 4 25%
> > Minister - Seniors 12 57%
> > Minister - Youth 83 22%
> > Minister - Visitation 4 17%
> > Minister at Large 5 14%
> > Interim Ministry
> > 80 14%
> > Christian Education 101 58%
> > Music Ministry 56 35%
> > Church Administration 16 42%
> > Bi Vocational 15 8%
> > Certified Lay Minister 10 30%
> > * Licensed for Ordination 4 33%
> > ** Licensed, not seeking Ordination 4 12%
> >
> > Serving in Specialized Ministries . . . . . . 258 28%
> > Community Witness 2 25%
> > Educators (Seminary) 33 23%
> > Pastoral Counselors 28 23%
> > Special Ministries
> > (Evangelists, Fund Raisers, etc.)
> > 81 35%
> > Institutional Administration 12 19%
> > Institutional Chaplains 80 33%
> > Military Chaplains 8 12%
> > University Chaplains 14 25%
> >
> > Serving in Denominational Positions . . . . . . 344 46%
> > National Staff 71 45%
> > Regional Staff 50 26%
> > Ecumenical Staff 13 35%
> > Commissioned Missionaries - BIM 193 60%
> > Commissioned Missionaries - BNM 16 39%
> > Commissioned Missionaries - BEM 1 100%
> >
> > In Transition. . . . . . Total 178 22%
> > Graduate Studies 9 19%
> > Ordained by Local Church 1 10%
> > Seminarians 24 35%
> > Temp Serving Other Denomination 49 29%
> > Recognized Ord - Other Denom 11 13%
> > *** Ordained - Associational Standards 1 25%
> > **** Temp not in Recognized Ministry 83 20%
> >
> >
> > As of June 18, 2002 (Corrected)
> >
> > The following information has been compiled primarily from the
> > ordained and non-ordained classification of the
> Professional Registry
> > Listing of June 18, 2002. The number in the first column
> indicates the
> > number of women in each category and the percentage figure in the
> > second column represents the percent of the category represented by
> > women.
> >
> > Women in Professional Registry Mailing List (Ordained
> Only): 1,049 14%
> > Women in Professional Registry Mailing List (Ordained and
> > Non-ordained): 1,984 17%
> >
> > Serving in Local Churches . . . . . . Total 1006
> > 14%
> > Pastors 373 8%
> > Co-Pastor 2 100%
> > Associate Pastors 207 33%
> > Minister - Children 64 81%
> > Minister - Evangelism 5 33%
> > Minister - Seniors 11 55%
> > Minister - Youth 72 22%
> > Minister - Visitation 4 15%
> > Minister at Large 23 9%
> > Interim Ministry
> > 54 11%
> > Christian Education 97 59%
> > Music Ministry 52 36%
> > Church Administration 12 43%
> > Bi Vocational 10 6%
> > Certified Lay Minister 9 27%
> > * Licensed for Ordination 7 50%
> > ** Licensed, not seeking Ordination 4 13%
> >
> > Serving in Specialized Ministries . . . . . . Total 246 27%
> > Community Witness 2 29%
> > Educators (Seminary) 33 22%
> > Pastoral Counselors 30 23%
> > Special Ministries
> > (Evangelists, Fund Raisers, etc.)
> > 74 32%
> > Institutional Administration 11 18%
> > Institutional Chaplains 77 34%
> > Military Chaplains 7 10%
> > University Chaplains 12 25%
> >
> > Serving in Denominational Positions . . . . . . Total 355 45%
> > National Staff 63 42%
> > Regional Staff 45 24%
> > Ecumenical Staff 15 35%
> > Commissioned Missionaries - BIM 222 60%
> > Commissioned Missionaries - BNM 10 31%
> > Commissioned Missionaries - BEM 2 67%
> >
> > In Transition. . . . . . Total 173 22%
> > Graduate Studies 12 21%
> > Ordained by Local Church 1 10%
> > Seminarians 23 31%
> > Temp Serving Other Denomination 43 25%
> > Recognized Ord - Other Denom 13 14%
> > *** Ordained - Associational Standards 0 0%
> > **** Temp not in Recognized Ministry 81 21%
> >
> >
> > * Temporary status, person is employed in a ministerial
> task and not
> > enrolled in seminary.
> > ** Person functioning in pastoral role.
> > *** Associational standards not equal to regional or national
> > standards.
> > **** Person seeking placement.
> >
> >
> >
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