Amen to what you stated, Steve and then when healing does not come they condemn the person seeking healing as not having enough faith. They are unwilling to admit that God's will may be to not heal that person yet or at all. I believe the faith they need to be healed is what gets them to call for the elders of the church, the rest is dependent upon God. Ray Steven G. Rockhill wrote: > DP, > I believe God is sovereign in all things and so if God wants to heal > some one He can and will. What I have a problem with is those who > claim to have a special power or authority to demand miracles of God, > those who destroy faith by giving false hope of healing and those who > line their own wallets by peddling these lies. > > Peace, > Steve > > DAVID POWELL wrote: > >> Although I am by no means a part of the name it and claim it crowd I >> have witnessed God miraculously heal people. God never said that >> everyone would be healed or else no one would die! The danger, is to >> believe and act as if God does not supernaturally heal people today. >> The Bible speaks of healings. James told of it in James 5:14ff >> >> 14 Are any among you sick? They should call for the elders of the >> church and have them pray over them, anointing them with oil in the >> name of the Lord. >> 15 And their prayer offered in faith will heal the sick, and the >> Lord will make them well. >> >> It does still happen! >> God Bless >> dp >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Steven G. Rockhill <mailto:revrock@...> >> To: pastorsforum@... <mailto:pastorsforum@...> >> Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 1:47 PM >> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Dispensationalism >> >> Jeff Hallmark wrote: >> >> Third, While door knocking we met a man and in our >> conversation he >> > said "It is God's will for every Christian who is right with God >> to be >> > heal and no sickness, but healthy and wealthy." I asked him, >> "Why do >> > you wear eye glasses"? He just shut the door in my face. >> >> >> Jeff, >> This is a Classic response, I will have to use some time. :-) In >> college a woman in my class presented a paper on this idea of God >> wants >> everyone to be healthy and we need to just reach out and claim >> it. It >> was a good paper and she made some good arguments, but toward the >> end of >> her presentation she told a story of a woman in her church whom she >> loved dearly. From the way my classmate described this woman she >> sounded as if she was faithful and godly. This woman had some >> ailment >> and she had been anointed and had gone to several 'healing' services >> but >> was not healed. She eventually died of the ailment. My >> classmate now >> overcome with tears during her presentation said she queried her >> pastor >> as to why God did not heal this friend of hers. His response was >> something to the effect that she did not have enough faith. The hurt >> was >> still so evident that my classmate could not continue to speak >> because >> of the tears and swell of emotion. To me it appeared her story >> at the >> end totally contradicted the rest of her paper and presentation. >> It is >> my opinion, and I believe strongly that my opinion on this issue is >> based on Biblical truth, that this health and wealth, name it and >> claim >> it doctrine is a false destructive teaching that inundates our >> airwaves >> and leads many people astray and distorts the Gospel of Christ. >> I have >> often used it as an example in sermons of false teachers and >> prophets >> that are among us today. I am not usually (at least I don't think) >> this >> critical and severe - but I believe that is how this doctrine and >> these >> so called revivals (Toronto, Brownsville) need to be dealt with. >> >> Peace, >> Steve >> >> > > -- > To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: > pastorsforum-unsubscribe@... > > "In essential things, unity; in non-essential things, liberty; and in > all things, charity." > > >