Jeff

If you want to talk more about this, I would love to call you and
discuss this issue.  Right now I am at a hotspot in town and can't talk,
but we can arrange a time.  E-mail me privately if you are interrested

Derick@...

Derick

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Hallmark [mailto:bc_preacher@...] 
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 3:43 PM
To: pastorsforum@...
Subject: RE: [PastorsForum] Help with a Calvinist.


Oh, yes Derick,  K-- looks at I John and says the birth marks of a true
believer  are there. K-- says I don't have joy all the time. I don't
always love the brethren as a christian should. 

I tell K-- John wrote these so that your joy maybe full.

K-- listens each night (he even records, just in case he falls asleep)
Back to the Bible and Focus on the Family.

He prays at family meals, buys tons of books, mainly reformed theology.

We have a Reform Baptist Church here in PG, but he doesn't attend it.

Jeff

> 
> Jeff,
> 
> I am interrested in this case because I think this man may have an 
> elementary knowledge or a huge misunderstanding of the Gospel.  To my 
> knowledge, Calvinists seems to be the most adamant that it is not 
> always about being able to lure people to the Lord as much as it is in

> being faithful to the Gospel.  He sounds like some people we probably 
> all know, he goes from one theology to another to another and is 
> unstable in all his ways.  They come in all stripes out there and 
> whatever theology they end up last on gets the poor reputation from 
> such people.
> 
> I would keep presenting him the Gospel.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Hallmark [mailto:bc_preacher@...]
> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 12:47 PM
> To: pastorsforum@...
> Subject: [PastorsForum] Help with a Calvinist.
> 
> 
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> Since we have discussed Calvinism somewhat. I would ask for some help 
> from our Calvinist on the forum.
> 
> I have a family here at SBC where the wife and daughters attend. 
> However, the father does not attend.
> 
> K-- is in his mid-sixties, retired engineer.
> 
> K-- was "saved" over twenty years ago here in PG. I read K--'s 
> testimony he wrote-out and read at his baptismal.
> 
> Seems very simple, sincere and genuine. K-- and his family were very 
> active in church. K-- worked with the royal rangers.
> 
> After about 6 years K-- quit working with Jr. boys. Still attending 
> church. At about 10 years, K-- begin reading Calvinist writers.
> 
> In about 3 years K-- believed because he no longer attends church, has
> no desire to work for the Lord etc....   1. his words "I didn't
> persevere"
> 
> 2. his words "because I didn't persevere I must not have been one of 
> the elect"
> 
> Now while the family comes faithfully and is involve with SBC. K-- 
> sits at home and reads - Pink, Gill, Packer etc... for hours. K--'s 
> wife figures K-- reads about 20 to 25 hrs a week these Calvinist 
> writers.
> 
> I have never told K-- that he was saved. I have told K-- that if you 
> was not saved K-- should trust the finish work of Christ and be saved.
> 
> K--'s response  I am dead and cannot make that decision.  God has to 
> draw me with no decision of my own.
> 
> What can I do to help K-- ? or do I consider him  un-elect and let him

> sit and continue to sour on the things of God.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> btw, do any of you know other Calvinist like K--?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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