That Christ established His Church on Pentecost is the predominate
Protestant view which some Baptist have accepted of late.

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From: Tom Brooks [mailto:thomas51b@...]
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 8:40 PM
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Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Bible


Maybe some of you guys have heard of Harold K Graves.
He wrote a book in 1922 named The Nature and Functions of a Church.
I have the book and it is great.
Tom Brooks
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dean West" <ldw45@...>
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Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Bible


> Brothers,
> There have certianly been some interesting posts on the subject of origin
of
> Baptist denominations.
> Interestingly enough no one has mentioned J.M. Carrol's old book "The
Trail
> of Blood."   Maybe it raises the old landmarkism issue  but I for one
still
> believe  Carrol  makes some valid points.
>
> The statement in this post that   "We Baptists have practiced and taught
> Christ's teachings ever since He
>  established the Church on the Day of Pentecost"   is difficult for me to
> accept, although some believe He established His church on that day.  I
> believe it was the empowering of His church rather than its establishment
> that occured
> that day.
>  Dean
>
>
> From: "Delmer G. Lawson" <delgene@...>
> To: <pastorsforum@...>
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 10:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Bible
>
>
> > Dear Fellow Preachers:
> >
> > Questions have been asked about the origin of the Baptist denomination.
> >
> > I don't feel that most Baptists have ever considered themselves a
> > denomination.  We are called Baptists because we baptize those
confessing
> > Christ as their personal Savior.  In the early days of the Church,
infant
> > baptism (a misnomer) was introduced.  The Christians, later called
> > Baptists, rejected this teaching, as we do any teaching that places
> > baptism as a condition for salvation.
> >
> > We believe in immersing the believer, because Jesus went down into the
> > water, as did the Ethiopian eunuch.  Matthew 3:13-17; Acts 8:26-39.
> >
> >                 "Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to
> > be baptized of him.
> >                 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized
> > of thee, and comest thou to me?
> >                 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so
> > now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he
> > suffered him.
> >                 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out
> > of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the
> >         Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
> >                 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved
> > Son, in whom I am well pleased."
> >
> >                 "And the angel of the Lord spake unto Philip, saying,
> > Arise, and go toward the south unto the way that goeth down from
> > Jerusalem         unto Gaza, which is desert.
> >                 And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia,
an
> > eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had
> >                the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem
> > for to worship,
> >                 Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias
the
> > prophet.
> >                 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join
> > thyself to this chariot.
> >                 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the
> > prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?
> >                 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me?
> > And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.
> >                 The place of the scripture which he read was this, He
was
> > led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his
shearer,
> > so
> >         opened he not his mouth:
> >                 In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who
> > shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.
> >                 And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee,
of
> > whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?
> >                 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same
> > scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
> >                 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain
> > water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to
be
> >         baptized?
> >                 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart,
> > thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is
the
> > Son of
> >         God.
> >                 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they
> > went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he
> > baptized
> >         him.
> >                 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit
> > of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he
> > went on his way rejoicing."
> > It doesn't make sense for anyone to "go down into the water", only to be
> > sprinkled.
> > .
> > Because of Calvary, yours,
> > Delmer G. Lawson
> > Jesus loves you, and I do too
> >
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