That Christ established His Church on Pentecost is the predominate Protestant view which some Baptist have accepted of late. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Brooks [mailto:thomas51b@...] Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 8:40 PM To: pastorsforum@... Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Bible Maybe some of you guys have heard of Harold K Graves. He wrote a book in 1922 named The Nature and Functions of a Church. I have the book and it is great. Tom Brooks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean West" <ldw45@...> To: <pastorsforum@...> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Bible > Brothers, > There have certianly been some interesting posts on the subject of origin of > Baptist denominations. > Interestingly enough no one has mentioned J.M. Carrol's old book "The Trail > of Blood." Maybe it raises the old landmarkism issue but I for one still > believe Carrol makes some valid points. > > The statement in this post that "We Baptists have practiced and taught > Christ's teachings ever since He > established the Church on the Day of Pentecost" is difficult for me to > accept, although some believe He established His church on that day. I > believe it was the empowering of His church rather than its establishment > that occured > that day. > Dean > > > From: "Delmer G. Lawson" <delgene@...> > To: <pastorsforum@...> > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 10:04 AM > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Bible > > > > Dear Fellow Preachers: > > > > Questions have been asked about the origin of the Baptist denomination. > > > > I don't feel that most Baptists have ever considered themselves a > > denomination. We are called Baptists because we baptize those confessing > > Christ as their personal Savior. In the early days of the Church, infant > > baptism (a misnomer) was introduced. The Christians, later called > > Baptists, rejected this teaching, as we do any teaching that places > > baptism as a condition for salvation. > > > > We believe in immersing the believer, because Jesus went down into the > > water, as did the Ethiopian eunuch. Matthew 3:13-17; Acts 8:26-39. > > > > "Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to > > be baptized of him. > > But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized > > of thee, and comest thou to me? > > And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so > > now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he > > suffered him. > > And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out > > of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the > > Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: > > And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved > > Son, in whom I am well pleased." > > > > "And the angel of the Lord spake unto Philip, saying, > > Arise, and go toward the south unto the way that goeth down from > > Jerusalem unto Gaza, which is desert. > > And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an > > eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had > > the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem > > for to worship, > > Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the > > prophet. > > Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join > > thyself to this chariot. > > And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the > > prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest? > > And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? > > And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him. > > The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was > > led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, > > so > > opened he not his mouth: > > In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who > > shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth. > > And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of > > whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man? > > Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same > > scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. > > And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain > > water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be > > baptized? > > And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, > > thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the > > Son of > > God. > > And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they > > went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he > > baptized > > him. > > And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit > > of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he > > went on his way rejoicing." > > It doesn't make sense for anyone to "go down into the water", only to be > > sprinkled. > > . > > Because of Calvary, yours, > > Delmer G. 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