BTW, here is an interresting site on the Geneva Study Bible. http://logosresourcepages.org/idx_geneva.htm ------------------------------------ Wallers Baptist Church Pastor derick@... PO Box 95 Partlow VA 22534 tel: 540-582-5703 mobile: 540-894-1772 www.thedickensfamily.org ------------------------------------ > -----Original Message----- > From: Derick Dickens [mailto:Derick@...] > Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 8:34 PM > To: pastorsforum@... > Subject: RE: [PastorsForum] King James > > > First, I want to question why you would post a website > promoting a book that you admittingly know nothing about. > Yet, you use it as evidence for your side. It seems that I > might know more about the book than you and yet you believe > it ultimately proves your point. > > Secondly, would it make a difference if you found out the > King James was a ruthless tyrrant? For me, the translation > is still just a translation. Yet, the KJV only people have > set themselves up that if King James was not a holy person, > then you have a lot to answer for. > > Here are some issues. In 1603, King James took the thrown > and made a speech in which he called for peace among all the > other groups, including early Baptists. The problem was, > peace in his mind amounted to them giving the king total > loyalty as the rightful Spiritual leader (read, pope) of the > church. Most Baptist groups and many other groups would not > follow suit. By 1610 there was all out persecution. Out of > these persecutions we find the greats John Smyth and other > early Baptists. Many of them turned to the English Colonies > led by John Robinson. The persecution saw the early men like > Jacob first go to Amsterdam and then to the colonies. King > James made statements that if you do not give him total > loyalty in religion, you were in rebellion and were unGodly. > Some men were burned at the stake. King James made > practicing religion without a liscense illegal and would > confiscate the church. That is what happened to Smyth in England. > > It was the Geneva Bible that was his hated foe. This Bible > used language about tyrrants and kings that angered King > James. One of the reason he created his Bible was not to put > the Bible in English, for it was already in Englis. The > purpose was to change the notes of the Bible so more people > would not rebel against him and would see it as their > responsibility to submit to his authority. The early > Baptists, in fact, despised the King James Bible and held > firm to the Geneva because of the persecution they underwent. > > That is a brief outline. I can give citations if you want. > Most are from books of history in my library. > > Derick > > ------------------------------------ > Wallers Baptist Church > Pastor > derick@... > PO Box 95 > Partlow VA 22534 > tel: 540-582-5703 > mobile: 540-894-1772 > www.thedickensfamily.org > ------------------------------------ > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jeff Hallmark [mailto:bc_preacher@...] > > Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 7:01 PM > > To: pastorsforum@... > > Subject: RE: [PastorsForum] King James > > > > > > > > Hello from McDonalds B-( > > > > > > Jeff, > > > > > > First, I think first hand information and primary sources > > are usually > > > taken in higher regard than 2nd hand or even researched ones. > > > Granted, one of the biggest arguments that STEPHEN A. > > COSTON, SR. has > > > is that the language has so radically changed that you > > cannot read the > > > material of the 1600's and rightly understand what was going on. > > > Thus, to agree with Stephen A. Coston Sr., you must the > > contend one of > > > the issues that we have been making, the KJV's language is too old > > > fashioned. > > > > > > Jeff -- I have not read his book, so I guess you have and > > will take your word at this time. > > > > > > > > > > > > Secondly, King James, whether or not he was a homosexual, > > is not the > > > issue. He was a tyrrant who killed people for pleasure and > > sought to > > > destroy some good and Godly people. He chased, arrested, > > and tortured > > > people who used the Geneva Bible, Baptists, and other sects. So, > > > homosexuality aside, he was a bad man. > > > > > > Jeff -- Can you give names and examples? thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > Finally, King James' theology was anti-IFB. Thus, his > theology was > > > something that David Cloud would condemn if King James was alive > > > today... And I would too. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeff -- Why bring David Cloud into this? > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > Wallers Baptist Church > > > Pastor > > > derick@... > > > PO Box 95 > > > Partlow VA 22534 > > > tel: 540-582-5703 > > > mobile: 540-894-1772 > > > www.thedickensfamily.org > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Jeff Hallmark [mailto:bc_preacher@...] > Sent: Friday, > > > > November 04, 2005 6:13 PM > > > > To: pastorsforum@... > > > > Subject: [PastorsForum] King James > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/kjcoston.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeff > > > > > > > > -- _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > Search for businesses by name, location, or phone > number. -Lycos > > > > Yellow Pages > > > > > > > > > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yel> > lowpages.lycos.com/defau > > > lt > > > .asp?SRC=lycos10 > > > > > > -- > > > To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: > > > pastorsforum-unsubscribe@... > > > > > > "In essential things, unity; in non-essential things, > > liberty; and in > > > all things, charity." > > > > > > -- > > > To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: > > > pastorsforum-unsubscribe@... > > > > > > "In essential things, unity; in non-essential things, > liberty; and > > > in all things, charity." > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: > > pastorsforum-unsubscribe@... > > > > "In essential things, unity; in non-essential things, > > liberty; and in all things, charity." > > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: > pastorsforum-unsubscribe@... > > "In essential things, unity; in non-essential things, > liberty; and in all things, charity." > >