[pastorsforum] RE: [PastorsForum] King James

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From: "Jeff Hallmark" <bc_preacher@...>
Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 07:19:12 -0800
Greetings,

> 
> First, I want to question why you would post a website promoting a book
> that you admittingly know nothing about.  Yet, you use it as evidence
> for your side.  It seems that I might know more about the book than you
> and yet you believe it ultimately proves your point.

Jeff --  access I guess.  or lack of.


> 
> Secondly, would it make a difference if you found out the King James was
> a ruthless tyrrant?  For me, the translation is still just a
> translation.  Yet, the KJV only people have set themselves up that if
> King James was not a holy person, then you have a lot to answer for.

Jeff -- No difference, all have sinned.  I don't have a fairy tale idea of kings and queens being perfect and living happly ever after.

Knowing KJ was protestant and reformed, I know how wicked he was. 

However, I believe KJ heart was in the hand of the Almighty God of the universe. God put it in KJ heart to have a Bible for the common man. I am not willing to throw out the Word of God that God has used for revivals, mission endevours, soulwinning churches etc...


> 
> Here are some issues.  In 1603, King James took the thrown and made a
> speech in which he called for peace among all the other groups,
> including early Baptists.  The problem was, peace in his mind amounted
> to them giving the king total loyalty as the rightful Spiritual leader
> (read, pope) of the church.  Most Baptist groups and many other groups
> would not follow suit.  By 1610 there was all out persecution.  Out of
> these persecutions we find the greats John Smyth and other early
> Baptists.  Many of them turned to the English Colonies led by John
> Robinson.  The persecution saw the early men like Jacob first go to
> Amsterdam and then to the colonies.  King James made statements that if
> you do not give him total loyalty in religion, you were in rebellion and
> were unGodly.  Some men were burned at the stake.  King James made
> practicing religion without a liscense illegal and would confiscate the
> church.  That is what happened to Smyth in England.


Jeff -- here is where I find interest. see below

> It was the Geneva Bible that was his hated foe.  This Bible used
> language about tyrrants and kings that angered King James.  One of the
> reason he created his Bible was not to put the Bible in English, for it
> was already in Englis.  The purpose was to change the notes of the Bible
> so more people would not rebel against him and would see it as their
> responsibility to submit to his authority.  The early Baptists, in fact,
> despised the King James Bible and held firm to the Geneva because of the
> persecution they underwent.

Jeff -- I have the geneva  bible on e sword  --  can you give some verses KJ opposed?

Thanks

> That is a brief outline.  I can give citations if you want.  Most are
> from books of history in my library.
> 
> Derick