Greetings, > > First, I want to question why you would post a website promoting a book > that you admittingly know nothing about. Yet, you use it as evidence > for your side. It seems that I might know more about the book than you > and yet you believe it ultimately proves your point. Jeff -- access I guess. or lack of. > > Secondly, would it make a difference if you found out the King James was > a ruthless tyrrant? For me, the translation is still just a > translation. Yet, the KJV only people have set themselves up that if > King James was not a holy person, then you have a lot to answer for. Jeff -- No difference, all have sinned. I don't have a fairy tale idea of kings and queens being perfect and living happly ever after. Knowing KJ was protestant and reformed, I know how wicked he was. However, I believe KJ heart was in the hand of the Almighty God of the universe. God put it in KJ heart to have a Bible for the common man. I am not willing to throw out the Word of God that God has used for revivals, mission endevours, soulwinning churches etc... > > Here are some issues. In 1603, King James took the thrown and made a > speech in which he called for peace among all the other groups, > including early Baptists. The problem was, peace in his mind amounted > to them giving the king total loyalty as the rightful Spiritual leader > (read, pope) of the church. Most Baptist groups and many other groups > would not follow suit. By 1610 there was all out persecution. Out of > these persecutions we find the greats John Smyth and other early > Baptists. Many of them turned to the English Colonies led by John > Robinson. The persecution saw the early men like Jacob first go to > Amsterdam and then to the colonies. King James made statements that if > you do not give him total loyalty in religion, you were in rebellion and > were unGodly. Some men were burned at the stake. King James made > practicing religion without a liscense illegal and would confiscate the > church. That is what happened to Smyth in England. Jeff -- here is where I find interest. see below > It was the Geneva Bible that was his hated foe. This Bible used > language about tyrrants and kings that angered King James. One of the > reason he created his Bible was not to put the Bible in English, for it > was already in Englis. The purpose was to change the notes of the Bible > so more people would not rebel against him and would see it as their > responsibility to submit to his authority. The early Baptists, in fact, > despised the King James Bible and held firm to the Geneva because of the > persecution they underwent. Jeff -- I have the geneva bible on e sword -- can you give some verses KJ opposed? Thanks > That is a brief outline. I can give citations if you want. Most are > from books of history in my library. > > Derick