That should have read "not true." I got to bed late last night and was 
awakened by a knock on the door early. I think I'll go lay back down. Sorry 
to Bro. Jerry for all of the emails.

In Christ,
R. Dean Pesnell, 205-821-4989, rdeanpesnell@...
Pastor, Katherwood Baptist Church
Officer/Chaplain, Birmingham Police Dept.
II Cor 5:17
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "R Dean Pesnell" <rdeanpesnell@...>
To: <pastorsforum@...>
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Read and read carefully


> What I should have said is if the way predestination had been presented 
> was true. Again DW thanks for pointing my error out. God bless.
>
> In Christ,
> R. Dean Pesnell, 205-821-4989, rdeanpesnell@...
> Pastor, Katherwood Baptist Church
> Officer/Chaplain, Birmingham Police Dept.
> II Cor 5:17
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Pastor David Warner" <dwarner@...>
> To: <pastorsforum@...>
> Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 9:22 AM
> Subject: RE: [PastorsForum] Read and read carefully
>
>
>> R. Dean,
>> You must be careful in how you use the term "predestination" so as not to
>> "throw the baby out with the bath water" so to speak.  After all, the 
>> word
>> "predestination" is in the Bible.  So one can't just discard it as though 
>> it
>> didn't exist.  To what or how are we "predestined"?   Answer that 
>> Biblically
>> and you have the answer to Biblical predestination.  :-)
>>
>> DW
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: R Dean Pesnell [mailto:rdeanpesnell@...]
>> Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 9:46 AM
>> To: pastorsforum@...
>> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Read and read carefully
>>
>>
>> My Bible says, "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten
>> Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting
>> life." "Whoever" being the key word there. The Bible also calls God 
>> "just."
>> Just how just would it be for God to sentence someone to Hell if they are
>> willing to accept the conditions laid out in His word for salvation?
>>
>> Furthermore, why would Jesus send out His into the world to, "make
>> disciples" if predestination were true? It would be the biggest waste of
>> time.
>>
>> I love my Calvinistic brothers and sisters, I just think they're way off
>> base on this one. God bless.
>>
>> In Christ,
>> R. Dean Pesnell, 205-821-4989, rdeanpesnell@...
>> Pastor, Katherwood Baptist Church
>> Officer/Chaplain, Birmingham Police Dept.
>> II Cor 5:17
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jeff Hallmark" <bc_preacher@...>
>> To: <pastorsforum@...>
>> Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 12:08 AM
>> Subject: [PastorsForum] Read and read carefully
>>
>>
>>
>> John Calvin said --
>>
>> "Predestination we call the eternal decree of God, by which He has
>> determined in Himself, what would have to become of every individual of
>> mankind. For they are not all created with a similar destiny; but eternal
>> life is foreordained for some and eternal death for others. Every man,
>> therefore, being created for one or the other of these ends, we say he is
>> predestinated either to life or to death."
>>
>> Institutes, Book III, Chapter XXI section 5
>>
>> According to Calvinism it might be your mother, your little boy, you
>> daughter, your wife and all the church nursery that God will delight in
>> sening to Hell. IT MIGHT EVEN BE YOU!!!
>>
>> After all, praying "Lord, be merciful to me a sinner" is not going to get
>> you to Heaven, if God has predestined you for Hell!!!
>>
>> What think Ye???
>>
>> Jeff
>>
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