Doc, (times 3), are you saying that God's Word only exists in the Greek language and no other language has God's Word? DW > DAVID, DAVID, DAVID, God Word IS the Greek! > doc > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David Warner<mailto:dwarner@...> > To: pastorsforum@...<mailto:pastorsforum@...> > Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 9:37 AM > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] wine > > > It will never be resolved because of the Greek because the Greek does > not provide the answer. God's Word provides the answer, and it seems > to me it does in any language. I have read Eph. 5:18 and I do not see > Paul talking about the wedding feast and the wine that Jesus made at > all. Strongs, Youngs, E-Sword, Crudens, Robertson, Vincent, Danta and > M, will not provide a Biblical link between John 4 and Eph 5. Sorry > Bill, your strong statement doesn't hold water. > > DW > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > The wine was alcoholic Jesus made at the wedding, John 4:46. We > know > > this because Paul speaks of the same wine in Eph. 5:18 and other > places in the Bible...look at the Greek!! Strong's 3631, oinos, > strong drink. Same drink he told Timothy he should have from time > to time for his stomach. > > > > However, this subject will never be resolved in this group despite > the > > greek > > > > Bill Burns > > > > David Warner <dwarner@...<mailto:dwarner@...>> wrote: > > No problem with your "wine is wine is wine" if you also understand > > that > > wine does not have to be fermented. It can be unfermented wine. Why > will you not accept that it is a possibility? > > DW > > > > > >> DW, > >> And it is that - an assumption. And we might as well add the KJV > debate in and ponder: why did the KJV translators use 'wine' > instead of 'juice' if the meaning of the text was 'juice' and not > 'wine'? Wine is wine is wine. If they understood and meant > something else, why didn't they use another word? The plain literal > reading of the text says "wine" - so unless you want to take modern > day ideas and reach backward etc. etc. - it must be wine. > >> > >> Peace, > >> Steve > >> > >> Maybe we should save this for a quiet time in a few months and > rehash the whole issue again. :-) > >> > >> David Warner wrote: > >> > >>>Steve, > >>>Unless one can establish from Scripture that Jesus had a pattern of > >>> making corrupt things, then the assumption it seems to me would > have to be that what He made was uncorrupt. > >>> > >>>DW > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>DW, > >>>> One could just as easily ask: > >>>> > >>>>Why do folks love to assume that the wine was not alcholic when > the > >>>> Scripture does not say. I've seen them take modern day and reach > backward; take what they know of Jewish custome and read into it; > but never have I seen anyone take the Scriptures--the inspired > Scriptures and make that the basis for their "facts" rather than > their > >>>> assumption. > >>>> > >>>>Safe travels. > >>>> > >>>>Peace, > >>>>Steve > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>David Warner wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>You guys know I hate to bring up something that we have already > >>>>> covered several times, but I was reading pastormail and saw some > of the posts about wine at a wedding. Why do folks love to > assume that the wine was alcholic when the Scripture does not > say. I've seen them take modern day and reach backward; take > what they know of Jewish custome and read into it; but never > have I seen anyone take the Scriptures--the inspired Scriptures > and make that the basis for their "facts" rather than their > assumption. > >>>>> > >>>>>On the road again in Cincinnati. 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