Oh ... I believe that God often guides us when we do not realize what is occurring .... ... but we also misstep, too. We make mistakes, we sin, we make wrong choices. I believe good saved people miss the will of God for their lives because they do not pray and seek knowledge of God's will. I also believe that good people fail to receive God's blessings and provision for them because they do not pray or they do not pray in faith, believing His promises. It is our failure, our unbelief that hinders the blessings, not God's sovereignty. Jerry L ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Sigafoos" <ksigafoos@...> To: <pastorsforum@...> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Sovereignty of God and children No Jerry, the verses I gave you specifically preclude fatalism. Man does play role. Man does have free will. The verses say "the heart of man plans ..." It is just not free will as you define it. We are not free to act in a way that is contrary to God's plan. We are free to do as we please. We each have a sin nature and we freely act on that free nature. But that freedom is not incompatible with God having all things predetermined. How else do you explain Prov 16:1,9? What do these verses mean to you? > > So, ..... why pray? > As I said yesterday, God tells us to pray. That alone is sufficient. Further, God chooses to accomplishes his plans through the prayers of His people. He could have choose another method but I'm not one to question the motives of God. -- Grace and peace, Kevin Sigafoos --------------------- For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be glory forever. Amen. (Rom 11:36) -- To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: pastorsforum-unsubscribe@... "In essential things, unity; in non-essential things, liberty; and in all things, charity."