Amen, DW! In Christ, R. Dean Pesnell, 205-821-4989, rdeanpesnell@... Pastor, Katherwood Baptist Church Officer/Chaplain, Birmingham Police Dept. II Cor 5:17 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pastor David Warner" <dwarner@...> To: <pastorsforum@...> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 1:01 PM Subject: RE: [PastorsForum] Sovereignty of God and children >I do not see the sovereignty of God and the free will of man as opposites. > Before Adam exercised his free will and sinned, God had already, before > the > foundation of the world, planned for man's redemption. With Judas I see > him > exercising his free will to betray the Savior but God had already > foreordained how the Savior would be betrayed and by whom. No problem for > me here. In fact, either God is sovereign or He is not. There is no such > thing as partial-sovereignty. > > DW > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin Sigafoos [mailto:ksigafoos@...] > Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 1:41 PM > To: pastorsforum@... > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Sovereignty of God and children > > > Thank you DW! Help from an unexpected quarter. Where's Steve when I > need him anyway! > > On 2/2/06, Pastor David Warner <dwarner@...> wrote: >> Jerry said: >> I think Kevin's point is that God ibis in total control and I say that is >> not so. Man has great responsibility in this. >> >> David asks: >> What part of His creation is out of the control of God? Do you God as >> someone who has to respond after He sees what man (or whatever part you >> think is out of His control) is going to do? Is God ever surprised? >> > > I've noted Jerry's flirtation with open theism and process theology > before. > > > -- > > > Grace and peace, > Kevin Sigafoos > --------------------- > For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be > glory forever. Amen. (Rom 11:36) > > -- > To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: > pastorsforum-unsubscribe@... > > "In essential things, unity; in non-essential things, liberty; and in all > things, charity." > > -- > To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: > pastorsforum-unsubscribe@... > > "In essential things, unity; in non-essential things, liberty; and in all > things, charity."