Amen, DW!

In Christ,
R. Dean Pesnell, 205-821-4989, rdeanpesnell@...
Pastor, Katherwood Baptist Church
Officer/Chaplain, Birmingham Police Dept.
II Cor 5:17
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pastor David Warner" <dwarner@...>
To: <pastorsforum@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 1:01 PM
Subject: RE: [PastorsForum] Sovereignty of God and children


>I do not see the sovereignty of God and the free will of man as opposites.
> Before Adam exercised his free will and sinned, God had already, before 
> the
> foundation of the world, planned for man's redemption.  With Judas I see 
> him
> exercising his free will to betray the Savior but God had already
> foreordained how the Savior would be betrayed and by whom.  No problem for
> me here.  In fact, either God is sovereign or He is not.  There is no such
> thing as partial-sovereignty.
>
> DW
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Sigafoos [mailto:ksigafoos@...]
> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 1:41 PM
> To: pastorsforum@...
> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Sovereignty of God and children
>
>
> Thank you DW!  Help from an unexpected quarter.  Where's Steve when I
> need him anyway!
>
> On 2/2/06, Pastor David Warner <dwarner@...> wrote:
>> Jerry said:
>> I think Kevin's point is that God ibis in total control and I say that is
>> not so.  Man has great responsibility in this.
>>
>> David asks:
>> What part of His creation is out of the control of God?  Do you God as
>> someone who has to respond after He sees what man (or whatever part you
>> think is out of His control) is going to do?  Is God ever surprised?
>>
>
> I've noted Jerry's flirtation with open theism and process theology 
> before.
>
>
> --
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>
> Grace and peace,
> Kevin Sigafoos
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