Thank you Jerry. I count it all joy. David W > MessageYou're being "silly" again .... (that is the polite way to say > it.) > > I did not "prove" your point. > > IFB churches have just as much scandal as others.... Two of my examples > were from IFB. > > Sex is everywhere ....even in church and among church people.... music > or no music.... and irregardless of what type of music. > > Jerry > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Pastor David Warner > To: pastorsforum@... > Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 5:57 PM > Subject: RE: [PastorsForum] What is good music? > > > I bet they all had rock and roll music in their churches. You prove > my point. > > DW > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerry [mailto:jelewis@...] > Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 3:33 PM > To: pastorsforum@... > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] What is good music? > > > Hey !!!!! > > Sex is already in the church house ..... > > The Roman Catholics are spending Billions of dollars ... > > ... and every denomination has had their own sexual scandals .... > > One "former" Baptist deacon told me about his pastor having an > affair with his wife, ... so he seduced the pastor's wife. Other > deacons in the same church were involved in affairs at the same > time. > > The Methodist lay leader of a church about a mile from my house pled > down and served a year in prison for molesting teenage girls in the > church during service time. One mother told me she would kill him > if she could get her hands on him. > > The youth director of an IFB church less than a mile from my house > was arrested for using a surveillance camera in a church youth > camp's rest rooms. > > Another youth director that came out of that same church is serving > a ten year sentence for sex with a minor. > > Rock music had nothing to do with it. > > Jerry > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Pastor David Warner > To: pastorsforum@... > Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 12:59 AM > Subject: RE: [PastorsForum] What is good music? > > > I reject rock and roll music as appropriate for Godly worship. > Why would anyone want to bring sex music into the church house? > > I'm not against modern music. I'm against worldly music that is > called "Christian" but is far from it. > > DW > > -----Original Message----- > From: Derick Dickens [mailto:Derick@...] > Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 12:33 AM > To: pastorsforum@... > Subject: RE: [PastorsForum] What is good music? > > > DW, > > I would take rock and roll over durge music anyday :). Why is > modern music wrong? Would today's modern music be okay in 30 > years? Would 70's praise and Worship music be okay today? Why > is it wrong? Explain what criteria you use. From what I read > you are saying: > > 1. Today's music must be wrong because it is modern. > 2. Yet, yesterday's music is okay today (does that mean > yesterday's music yesterday was evil then?). > > Just some thoughts. > > Derick > > > Reformation and Revival in the Home and > Church > > 1101 W. 13th St. > Owensboro KY 42301 > Derick@... > www.thedickensfamily.org tel: > mobile: 270-689-0069 > 270.315.5159 > > > > > Add me to your address book... Want a signature like > this? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pastor David Warner [mailto:dwarner@...] > Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 11:28 PM > To: pastorsforum@... > Subject: RE: [PastorsForum] What is good music? > > > Jerry, > I flat out bash all CCM that is rock and roll stuff, that is > just like the world's music. Did you not even read what I > said? You even quote it and still apparently missed it. Read > it again, slower, and perhaps with not so much antagonism. DW > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerry [mailto:jelewis@...] > Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 5:44 PM > To: pastorsforum@... > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] What is good music? > > > DW, > > By your own words" > It's the CCM stuff--the rock and roll stuff--the junk that > claims to be "christian" but sounds just like the world! > That is evil! > > Again, by your own words, and this time you are right, ... > when you apply them to what you previously posted... Your > post is just plain ridiculous. Your prejudicial accusations > are your own subjective opinions and not a biblical > analysis. > > You, flat out condemn and bash all "CCM" ... all > contemporary Christian Music as being evil. ... and that, > dear brother, is purely "Ridiculous" with a Capital R. .... > Especially when you turn around and use it in your church > and listen to it outside your church services...... By your > own testimony ,.. you play and sing "Shout tothe Lord" in > your services (howbeit with a different arrangement .... > maybe without drums and guitar ...) > > Jerry > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Pastor David Warner > To: pastorsforum@... > Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 4:24 PM > Subject: RE: [PastorsForum] What is good music? > > > Jerry, You are speaking out of ignorance here because you > don't know my judgment or what I think of particular > songs. You are guessing. Just plain guessing. Do you > really even know what religious prejudice or cultural bias > is? Apparently not. Your post is just plain ridiculous. > Your prejudicial accusations are your own subjective > opinions and not a biblical analysis. > > DW > > > > , > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerry [mailto:jelewis@...] > Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 9:34 PM > To: pastorsforum@... > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] What is good music? > > > DW, > > "Shout to the Lord" is CCM, .... Do you call that > "evil"???? > > "The Keeper" by Geof Moore is CCM, ... if you think that > is evil, ... you don't know what evil is. > > Geof Moore also recorded the song, "Why Should The Devil > Have All The Good Music?" In the song, the answer is > "He (the Devil) DON'T!!!" (I think Larry Norman may > have originally written the song.) > > Your judgment of music is NOTHING but religious > prejudice and cultural bias. > > I love you brother, but your opinion of CCM is purely > subjective. You have no objective basis for your > condemnation. All you have offered is your opinion and > the opinion of someone else ... it actually sounded like > David Cloud. He certainly does not offer an objective > analysis. > > Jerry > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Pastor David Warner > To: pastorsforum@... > Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 7:28 PM > Subject: RE: [PastorsForum] What is good music? > > > Derick, > It's not "modern music" that is evil. It's the CCM > stuff--the rock and roll stuff--the junk that claims > to be "christian" but sounds just like the world! That > is evil! > > Your 1,2,3,4 is pretty good stuff, my friend. > > > My grandson told me a joke he made up (he was 10) > > Why did Mozart get rid of all his chickens? > > > They kept going Bach, Bach, Bach, Bach. > > > Bahahahahahahahah > > > > DW > > -----Original Message----- > From: Derick Dickens > [mailto:Derick@...] Sent: Saturday, > February 25, 2006 6:30 PM > To: pastorsforum@... > Subject: [PastorsForum] What is good music? > > > Okay, reading through the good music topic, I keep > thinking to myself, "What is good music?" I have > heard a lot of ranting about "modern" music being > evil (which I do not buy). Yet, I have never really > heard criteria that states "This is what makes music > good and this is what makes music evil." Of course, > some refer to "good" music, not as morally good, but > pleasing. Here is my thoughts on music. > > 1. Music, intrinsically, should be done for the > uplifting and glorification of God. I am not > defining how this is to be done because I personally > think Mozart, Beethoven, Handel, etc, is good music > (personally, I do not like Bach). > > 2. If words are included, they should be > doctrinally sound. > > 3. If there are words that are meant to be sung, > they should be the focus not just the music (though > there is an artistic aspect to music, that is not to > negate this artistic use but that in worship music, > especially, the focus are the words). > > 4. Showmanship in worship music is not good. > People singing up to the Lord is good. > > I hate saying a style is necessary evil. Most of > the arguments I hear for a style is based upon a > philosophical framework that is based upon > presuppositions that are impossible to support. > > Derick > > > Reformation and Revival in the Home and > Church > > 1101 W. 13th St. > Owensboro KY 42301 > Derick@... > www.thedickensfamily.org tel: > mobile: 270-689-0069 > 270.315.5159 > > > > > Add me to your address book... 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