Jerry,
If you "pride" yourself on being "'Biblically based,' yet man of (your)
beliefs and practices are founded on religious traditions and opinions of
me?" then I would like you to be clearer about it not imply that all
Baptist do such.  I'll admit that I don't share your frame of reference
and this may very well be an accurate description of the circles or
"camps" you affiliate with but it certainly isn't mine.  It doesn't
describe the Baptists I know.  In fact, "religious traditions" is not a
issue with any I have personal contact with (apart from the forum).

I'm on the road right now so will address the other posts later.

David W



> Jeff, ......
>
> One is simply asking for BIBLICAL DEFINITIONS ....... Can you imagine
> what that is ?????   Is that funny or is it sad????
>
> By my use of this term and question I am asking for list members to post
> "What the Bible says" in regard to "apostates" and the Biblical concept
> of "separation."  If you have a problem with that, then it is SAD.
>
> Tragically, "Biblical" definitions are extremely RARE in the posts of
> some of the "brethren" on this list.   They  are fond of spouting off
> the "party line" of their religious "camp."  Baptists, and remember that
> I am one, like to pride themselves on being "Biblically based," yet many
> of our beliefs and practices are founded on religious traditions and
> opinions of men.
>
> I have heard IFB harp on "separation" for many years.  They quote a few
> "proof texts,"  .... but what is preached and practiced is far removed
> from a Biblical foundation.
>
> Jerry
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Jeff Hallmark
>   To: pastorsforum@...
>   Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 12:39 AM
>   Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Funny and Sad
>
>
>   Funny and Sad    is the subject line and  these last post are more
> true then the first.
>
>   Funny and sad    8-(
>
>   jeff
>
>
>   On 6/7/06, Jerry <jelewis@...> wrote:
>     What is an "apostate" ... and who does the Bible command Christians
> to be "separate" from?????
>
>     What is BIBLICAL separation?
>
>     Jerry
>
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     From: Dpowellaz2@...
>     To: pastorsforum@...
>     Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 5:28 PM
>     Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Funny and Sad
>
>
>     Dave W said:
>     If you are referring to the pointing out of compromise and
> unbiblical practices of some churches and church leaders as
> "bashing" then I suppose I understand your view.  When someone shows
> the unbiblical standards, compromise of Biblical truth, lack of
> Biblical separation, ecumenical embracing of non-believers and
> apostates in religious meetings, etc, etc, etc, then I suppose those
> who accept or tolerate such practices might call those who don't
> some pejorative term.
>
>     Compromise and unbiblical practices (according to your traditions
> not biblically substantiated!)
>
>     unbiblical standards, (By your self imposed definitions)
>
>     compromise of Biblical truth, (I have been waiting for two years for
> you to show biblical backing for your disdain for drums and CCM
> Music.)
>
>     lack of Biblical Separation, (Does the Word really say to separate
> from other "Born Again" believers or to separate from people who
> worship someone other than the Lord?)
>
>     embracing of non-believers, (Zacheus would probably disagree with
> you in that if Jesus had followed your example he would not have
> been saved!)
>
>     apostates, (Again, by your definition of apostates.  Do you believe
> that there are those who can fall away and lose their salvation?)
>
>     Lastly, your definitions of these characterizations are just that,
> yours!  They are not biblical.  If you really believed that yourself
> you would not have anything to do with those whom you classify as
> Apostates!
>
>     I still love you brother
>     Dave P
>
>
>     In a message dated 6/7/2006 1:38:54 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
> dwarner@... writes:
>       Thou hast not established that I doeth bash in the first place.
> Go thou, and do likewise and thou shalt be blessed.
>
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