[pastorsforum] Re: [PastorsForum] Calvinism vs. Arminianism

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From: "Derick R. Dickens" <Derick@...>
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 08:18:24 -0600
My comments are preceeded by <Derick>

> Romans 10:17 - the preaching of the Word - gives us faith - HIS FAITH - he
> gives it - it can enable a dead person to make a decision.

<Derick> No, faith comes by hearing and hearing the Word of God is the
exact phrase.  It does not say that faith is always a result of hearing
for everyone.  In fact, when we look at the progression of salvation in
this exact chapter, we find that "How can they hear unless there is a
preacher?"  In this famous and often used verse, Paul is giving a
progression of salvation from hearing to calling.  Notice, though, he is
not saying that everyone who hears will call on the Lord, nor is he saying
that everyone who hears will have faith.  Yet, I do agree that one cannot
believe without hearing and that faith comes by hearing and hearing the
word of God.  Yet, it does not say everyone will have (or the capacity
thereof) faith once they hear.
>
> In the Garden - after the fall - what did Adam and Eve do when they heard
> God coming? They hid and tried to cover themselves.
>
> God called unto them - they made a decision to come out before God. God
> took care of the rest - because they were willing to come out.

<Derick>Again, we are delving into an issue that you are speaking not
knowing the entire story or all the facts.  God also said, "Where are
you?"  Some have made this say that God doesn't know everything.  Yet,
that is crazy.  We cannot jump to conclussions on theological issues by
what the Bible does not say.  What we can assume is that there was a
calling and the people did respond.  We cannot assume that they coming out
of hiding was

1.  A result of Free Will absent of God's Sovereignty.
2.  A result of their "Universal choice".


>
> They even began to look for excuses - yet God took care of it.
>
> If they were dead in tresspasses and sins - how could they hear the voice
> of God?

<Derick>Again, you are trying to draw a conclussion that cannot be drawn. 
A calvinist could say, "This is a part of God's irresistible grace that
drew the people to him and eventually regenerated them.  BTW, you seem to
be doubting that we are dead in sins and trespasses.  In your above
statement you say, "If they were dead..."  You doubt they were dead?  Read
Ephesians 2:5 and I invite another interpretation.  I believe we all,
since the fall, are dead.