If I may impose a question:

Isn't everyone drawn to God sometime
in life to at least some degree?  In  a 
way, isn't everyone the elect of God?
If some are elected and some are not
from the foundation of the earth, then
that would mean that some people
are born to be lost.  Will a Just God
send anyone to Hell without an 
opportunity to be saved?

Does God want anyone to be lost?

Mike




> [Original Message]
> From: Derick R. Dickens <Derick@...>
> To: <pastorsforum@...>
> Date: 6/19/2006 10:18:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Calvin vs John
>
> Jeff,
>
> I understand whosoever will.  the question I have for you is this, "Who
> will?"  You see, the texts you cite do not answer that verse.  The texts I
> cite do answer that verse.  They say that no one but those who are drawn
> by God, they say that only those drawn by God, and they also say that it
> is the "elect".  Jeff, the problem here is not that I have failed to
> answer your texts but that you have failed to answer our texts of
> scripture and thereby communicating that you believe there to be a
> contradiction in the Bible concerning the texts.  I, on the other hand,
> believe both your text and my text... that is why I can answer yours and
> advance my own.
>
> Derick
>
> > So here is the situation, effectual calling and universal calling is a
>
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