Hey Kevin,

Yes, I read the post on Propitiation ...

Is unbelief a sin?  I would definitely think so.

Why is it not covered by the atonement?   I would say that it is.  There are 
different kinds of unbelief, but the reason people go to hell is that they 
do not believe in Christ, the Savior, who bore their sins on the cross.

The redeeming death of Christ Jesus is not efficacious for anyone until they 
believe on Christ.

Christ paid the price in full for our salvation on Calvary, yet it is 
applied to his life when he believes on the Lord.
Acts 3:19
19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, 
when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

God's salvation is a gift to the one who "believes."  God cannot save the 
one who does not believe.

Mark 16:15-16 15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach 
the gospel to every creature.16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be 
saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Acts 10:43
43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever 
believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

"Believing on Christ" is not a "works soteriology," it is God's plan on 
salvation.  He did all the work necessary for salvation on the cross.  Yet 
God only saves those who "believe."  God cannot save a sinner who does not 
repent and believe the gospel.  God cannot act contrary to His word.  Jesus 
called for men to "repent and believe the gospel."  Paul preached that God 
"commanded" men to repent.

Acts 17:30
30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men 
every where to repent:

Christ SAVES sinners, ... yes, ... but He does so only with their 
cooperation, their belief of the gospel message.

Jerry


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin Sigafoos" <ksigafoos@...>
To: <pastorsforum@...>
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] That word ALL again


> On 6/29/06, Jerry <jelewis@...> wrote:
>> Kevin said,
>> If Jesus paid to the sins of "every man, woman, and child who ever lived"
>> than why is anyone suffering in hell?
>>
>> The answer is very simple ... Because they reject the Savior.
>>
>> The pardon that Jesus secured for every man, woman, and child through His
>> redeeming death on Calvary can only be appropriated through a faith
>> transaction that Christ called "believing in Him."
>>
>
> Jerry, please read my post from yesterday regarding propitiation.  Is
> unbelief a sin?  If so, then why is unbelief not covered by the
> atonement?
>
> If there is a "transaction" between Christ and man during the
> salvation process then both parties of the transaction must exchange
> something.  Man "gives" Christ his faith in exchange for salvation.
> You will disagree, I know, but that's too close to a works soteriology
> for me.
>
> To me the issue is not predestination, free will, depravity, limited
> atonement or the other issues that we've gone 'round and 'round about.
> The issue is did Christ actually SAVE anyone on the cross or did He
> just make salvation POSSIBLE and it's up to man to save himself.  I
> hold that Christ saves sinners and that man has no part in it.
> Salvation is all of grace and none of works.
>
> -- 
>
>
> Grace and peace,
> Kevin Sigafoos
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