Pastor Hughes www.eastmesabaptist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry" <jelewis@...> To: <pastorsforum@...> Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] I didnt know the bible said that? > Why the emphasis on DENYING doctrine????? Searching for: DOCTRINE 2 JOHN 1:9 abideth not in the DOCTRINE of Christ, hath not 2 JOHN 1:9 that abideth in the DOCTRINE of Christ, he hath 2 JOHN 1:10 and bring not this DOCTRINE, receive him not into REVELATION 2:14 them that hold the DOCTRINE of Balaam, who taught REVELATION 2:15 them that hold the DOCTRINE of the Nicolaitanes, which REVELATION 2:24 as have not this DOCTRINE, and which have not HOPE THIS HELPS SHED SOME LIGHT ON THE SUBJECT..........SINCERELY PASTOR HUGHES > > Most sinners are ignorant of any doctrine,.... they just do not know, > ...not that they are denying anything ..... > > If someone is saying they are trusting Christ as Savior, but are making a > point of DENYING Bible teaching ,... well, something is obviously goofed > up. > > I understand that there are a few ultra liberal type people who profess to > be Christian yet claim to not believe in the orthodox tenets of the faith. > I do not think anyone on this list will say that they are true Christians. > > But it is a different thing entirely to say that a new convert has to > believe such and such about secondary issues or else he in not truly > saved. New converts must be taught the Bible, not be grilled and tested > for orthodoxy. > > Jerry > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Warner" <dwarner@...> > To: <pastorsforum@...> > Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 12:17 PM > Subject: RE: [PastorsForum] I didnt know the bible said that? > > > Welllll? > > I think it is interesting how "they" keep wanting to make is a matter of > how > much knowledge one has to have in order to be saved. > The truth is, can you deny basic Bible doctrine and be saved and if you > say > you can, then how much can you deny and be saved? > Pretty soon there is nothing left but "let's all just get along and not > make > an issue out of doctrine and join hands, lifting them up in praise as we > sing kum by ya. > > DW > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Pastor Hughes [mailto:embc@...] >> Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:35 AM >> To: pastorsforum@... >> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] I didnt know the bible said that? >> >> now david >> arent you being just a little over simplistic here.... >> >> heheehehehh >> Pastor Hughes >> East Mesa Baptist Church >> http://www.eastmesabaptist.com/ >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Warner" <dwarner@...> >> To: <pastorsforum@...> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 6:29 AM >> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] I didnt know the bible said that? >> >> >> > The issue is whether you can deny it and be saved. Some >> things one could >> > be ignorant of and be saved but some things one can't deny >> and be saved. >> > >> > DW >> > >> > >> >> A person doesn't have to believe in being caught to be >> saved. The new >> >> body will be raptured anyway. Isn't this an issue that will be >> >> discussed with God himself when we're with Him? >> >> >> >> Bill Burns >> >> >> >> >> >> Jerry <jelewis@...> wrote: >> >> What other kind of Rapture do you believe in???? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: Pastor Hughes >> >> To: pastorsforum@... >> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 2:21 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] I didnt know the bible said that? >> >> >> >> >> >> who said pre trib rapture >> >> Pastor Hughes >> >> www.eastmesabaptist.com >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: Jerry >> >> To: pastorsforum@... >> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:20 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] I didnt know the bible said that? >> >> >> >> >> >> Fidel, >> >> >> >> No, it doesn't help .... because you are still blurring >> the lines and >> >> assuming that different things are the same when they are not. >> >> >> >> One MUST believe in the resurrection of Christ in order >> to be saved >> >> according to the passage you referenced and also Romans 10:9-10. >> >> >> >> That is not the same as believing in a pre-trib rapture. >> >> >> >> Jerry >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: Pastor Hughes >> >> To: pastorsforum@... >> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:52 AM >> >> Subject: [PastorsForum] I didnt know the bible said that? >> >> >> >> >> >> Jerry you said..... >> >> >> >> I didn't know the Bible said you had to believe in the >> rapture and >> >> in the tribulation in order to be saved .... well, actually, .. I >> >> still don't ... because that is not supported by the Scriptures. >> >> >> >> Jerry >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 1Co 15:13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, >> then is Christ >> >> not risen: >> >> 14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching >> vain, and your >> >> faith is also vain. 15 Yea, and we are found false >> witnesses of God; >> >> because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he >> >> raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not. 16 For if the dead >> >> rise not, then is not Christ raised: >> >> 17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye >> are yet in your >> >> sins. 18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are >> >> perished. 19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, >> we are of >> >> all men most miserable. 20 ¶ But now is Christ risen from >> the dead, >> >> and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man >> >> came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. >> 22 For as >> >> in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But >> >> every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; >> afterward they that >> >> are Christ's at his coming. >> >> >> >> >> >> my friend the resurrection and the rapture go hand in hand..... >> >> no rapture ....we would still be in our sins...our >> preaching vain and >> >> our faith vain... >> >> >> >> if one doesnt believe the bible when confronted with >> biblical truth it >> >> is obvious they just arent saved....I know that sounds >> harsh...but you >> >> can make any excuse for them you want to... >> >> >> >> dont take my word for it ...take Jesus word.. >> >> >> >> Joh 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye >> therefore hear >> >> them not, because ye are not of God. >> >> >> >> hope this helps >> >> >> >> good morning all >> >> >> >> its a beautiful morning >> >> morning...dallllllaaaaaaaaaaallaaaaaaaaaaadellllllllllooooooooooo >> >> >> >> >> >> Pastor Hughes >> >> East Mesa Baptist Church >> >> http://www.eastmesabaptist.com/ >> >> >> >> >> >> To subscribe, send any message to:pastorsforum-join@... >> >> To unsu bscribe, send any message to: >> >> pastorsforum-unsubscribe@... 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