ok, but then i define me - and you can only call me as i call me :) pax jok --- John Keeter <jmkeeter@...> wrote: > YOU define YOU- we only refer to you as what you is! > > :-) > And vice versa! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "john okeefe" <jxpxus@...> > To: <pastorsforum@...> > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 11:48 AM > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Universal Church > > > > steven > > > > thank you - i will take your lable :) i think > lables > > have value only when you pick one for you - others > can > > not assign one to you, because then they are > defining > > you and that is not right :) > > > > pax > > jok > > > > --- "Steven G. Rockhill" <revrock@...> > wrote: > > > Welcome to the forum! > > > Don't worry about not having/using any labels - > just > > > hang out here for a > > > bit and they (the labels) will come. :-) > > > In fact I will label you right now ---- > Brother!!!! > > > Take that for a > > > label you labeless fellow. How does it feel now > to > > > be labeled like the > > > rest of us? :-) > > > > > > Peace, > > > Steve > > > > > > PS - I should say that I totally disagree with > you > > > on your methods of > > > 'doing church' although I may not necessarily > > > disagree with the > > > principle behind the method. > > > > > > PSS - You have already labeled yourself in an > > > earlier post as > > > Postmodern/Emerging - that is if anti-labeling > is a > > > label in itself. > > > > > > PSSS - I don't think there is necesarrily a > problem > > > with using labels, > > > but I understand the confusion that they can > > > sometimes bring about. To > > > my in-laws > Being Conservative is what you > wear. > > > To me > being > > > Conservatie is theological. > > > > > > PSSSS - Okay this is the last PS - I should warn > you > > > that the label I > > > gave you above doesn't wash off (well maybe if > you > > > prove yourself to be > > > fruitless - i.e. a heretic) no matter how hard > you > > > try - you can immerse > > > yourself, sprinkle water on your head, pour > water on > > > your head, or dunk > > > yourself forward once and back twice (or is it > > > forward twice or back > > > once - I don't know I'm not Brethren) - it just > > > won't work - the label > > > sticks. :-) :-) > > > > > > > > > john okeefe wrote: > > > > > > >well, i am the new guy so i will add my two > cents - > > > >and if need be run and hide :) > > > > > > > >i tend to think all lables are misplaced and > only > > > >service to place people into a box. > personally, i > > > am > > > >neither "conservative" or "center" or "liberal" > or > > > >"fundy" or "progressive" or "anything" that > others > > > >desire to place on me :) what i have found is > that > > > >most of the time people who give lables do so > to > > > push > > > >people away, not it identifie who they are :) > > > > > > > >whenever i use a lable i place it in "quotes" - > > > >because of there lack of meaning. besides, i > know > > > >people who say they are "liberal" who others > say > > > are > > > >"conservative" - so do lables actually have a > > > meaning? > > > > or are they just ways of saying "i am better > then > > > >you?" :) > > > > > > > >just my 2 cents :) > > > > > > > >--- mwcarnes <mick.jinx@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >>The elder brother > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> From: DAVID POWELL > > > >> To: pastorsforum@... > > > >> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 6:44 PM > > > >> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] gentlemen i have > a > > > >>problem > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Come on guys! This is getting a bit > ridiculous! > > > > > > >>There is nothing wrong with having some fun at > > > >>church. What! Do all of us belong to the > First > > > >>Church of the Chosen Frozen? There have been > > > >>several times I have used exercises similar to > > > this > > > >>to stimulate conversation in one of my > classes! > > > >>Show me in the Scriptures how the order of > service > > > >>is to go. I bet you can't find one reference > to a > > > >>church bulletin, or opening "Call to worship, > > > >>opening prayer, hymn, hymn, offering, prayer, > > > hymn, > > > >>special music, sermon, invitation, sharing and > > > >>caring etc, etc. etc. We as churches > sometimes do > > > >>the same thing over and over and over and over > > > until > > > >>it becomes a rut!!!! Do you know what the > > > >>definition of a "rut" is? A rut is a grave > with > > > >>both ends kicked out! > > > >> > > > >> I am also disappointed that no one answered > my > > > >>trivia question: > > > >> "Who was the wickedest man in the Whole > Bible?" > > > >> > > > >> God Bless > > > >> Dr. D. > > > >> > > > >> Shalom Alechem...Barukh Hashem Y'shua! > > > >> (Peace and Blessings in Jesus' name!) > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> From: Pastor David Warner > > > >> To: pastorsforum@... > > > >> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 12:39 PM > > > >> Subject: RE: [PastorsForum] gentlemen i > have a > > > >>problem > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> I just made part of this translation up > and I > > > >>like it because I can understand it and it > appeals > > > >>to me. > > > >> But Peter, standing up with the eleven, > lifted > > > >>up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of > > > Judaea, > > > >>and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this > known > > > >>unto you, and hearken to my words: I wilt > asketh > > > >>thee some trivia questions from all the > prophets > > > and > > > >>the law to let you have some fun and test thou > > > Bible > > > >>(1) knowledge. > > > >> > > > >> (1) Note: the word "Bible" is not in some > of > > > >>the better translations. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > >> From: jim > > > >>[mailto:jim.melissa@...] > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 7:38 PM > > > >> To: pastorsforum@... > > > >> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] gentlemen i > have > > > a > > > >>problem > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> We have used it on occasion for a > portion of > > > >>the service on a Sunday night or Wed. night, > and > > > it > > > >>seemed to be well received. It was good to > pit > > > the > > > >>teens against the older people and see the > > > outcome. > > > >> > > > >> How is asking Bible questions a reproach > to > > > >>our Lord? It is more likely a reproach on > many > > > for > > > >>their lack of Bible knowledge! > > > >> > > > >> Jim > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- a > > > >> From: DEACON64@... > > > >> To: pastorsforum@... > > > >> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 11:40 > PM > > > >> Subject: [PastorsForum] gentlemen i > have a > > > >>problem > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Dear Pastors: > > > >> What do you think about this problem I > > > have > > > >>any suggestions will be welcomed. > > > >> in our Sunday evening service many > months > > > >>ago one of my people suggested we spend 10 > minutes > > > >>playing a bible trivia game something to > challenge > > > >>the people. well i decided to pit the ladies > > > against > > > >>the men and it went over real well with most > of > > > them > > > >>but there are a few that believe i stepped > over > > > the > > > >>line. now i have been friends with my > congregation > > > >>for 30 years so those that are upset are not > going > > > >>to leave. But do you think I am bringing > reproach > > > to > > > >>our Lord by allowing this bible trivia. I > > > certainly > > > >>enjoy it as do the majority but my heart is > going > > > >>out to those who are somewhat offended. thanks > for > > > >>your input. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Joe Santos > > > >> Pastor Bethel Baptist Church > > > >> Bethel's Web Site > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >===== > > > >john o'keefe > > > >http://www.ginkworld.net > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > > > >Do you Yahoo!? > > > >Yahoo! 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