Let's bring them up to a civilized level and not be "dumbed" down to theirs.
There is a proper way to speak.  Let's teach, train, lift up and not stoop.
David W

-----Original Message-----
From: john okeefe [mailto:jxpxus@...]
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 3:46 PM
To: pastorsforum@...
Subject: RE: [PastorsForum] why your church....


david -

if i looked at you and said "dude, bogus wake - spank
down 'n powder."  you might not know what i mean :)

but if i said to you - "david, i believe you came to
the wrong conclusion and i was hoping you would be
more reasonable about it" - that you would understand
- but they mean the same things :)

words are 100$ cultural.  here are just a few examples
(and i am certian others can think of more):

bloody
dog
chick
wag
slide
spank

most of these words you would have no problem using in
a your daily speaking - if you said, "that guy was all
bloody" it would have a whole different meaning
depending on who you were talking too :)

what you see as a "cuss" word may not be so in my
community - the word "sucks" is a great example of
that - it is not "as bad" as your community things, in
my community - since the article wqs designed for
people in my community - no problem.  but i will say,
i actually had a very conserative church in texas use
the article (they did ask if they could change the
word) for there state wide conference.

i think, when it comes to words, we need to speak to
the people we are trying to reach - it is undertanding
them and meeting them where they are and not where you
want them to be :)

pax
jok


--- Pastor David Warner <dwarner@...>
wrote:
> Sure those word are in the Bible but so is God and
> Jesus but it is wrong to
> go around using the profanely!  By the way, if the
> damn is in the KJV I
> can't find it.  Where is it?  I won't pick that for
> my Scripture reading
> Sunday.
> David W
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: iggy [mailto:iggy@...]
>   Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 11:02 PM
>   To: pastorsforum@...
>   Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] why your church....
>
>
>         Pastor Keeter,
>
>         Hmmm,
>         Isn't the word h___ in the Bible? I think
> though, it's supposed to
> be hot.
>         Unless one is referring to Dante's H___. It,
> in it's lower levels
> was a frozen lake. Kind've like how Pastor Powell
> referred to about the
> "Frozen Chosen". Only for the really bad guys that
> went to a non traditional
> church.
>
>         Also damn, piss, hell, and dung are all in
> the KJV. Did you hear the
> one about the 2 sisters in Ezekiel whose lovers were
> hung like donkeys?
>
>         If God can say it can't it be that bad....if
> used in the proper
> context to make the point needed.
>
>         Words have meaning, add meaning, but only if
> understood.
>
>         iggy
>
>
>
>
>         -------Original Message-------
>
>         From: pastorsforum@...
>         Date: 01/29/04 20:45:11
>         To: pastorsforum@...
>         Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] why your
> church....
>
>         Bro John,
>
>         I think you ahve already answered my
> questioN!
>         "Cuss" curse, use profanity.
>         Profane- against whats right. "Cold as H___"
>  It aint cold! etc.
>         The Bible calls it "Froward"- directs away.
>         Much modern slang is this. It is verbal
> garbage- useless and
> misdirecting.
>         Soem is just plain profane- misusing Gods
> name- taking in vain- 3rd
>         commandment.
>         Abbreviations that mean the same .
>
>         I sit oK for a Christian to use R rated
> words?
>         Even the world finds them offensive.
>
>         ----- Original Message -----
>         From: "john okeefe" <jxpxus@...>
>         To: <pastorsforum@...>
>         Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 11:44 AM
>         Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] why your
> church....
>
>
>         > define "cuss" for me :)  words are all
> cultural - what
>         > you see as a "cuss" may not be one in my
> world - and
>         > what you see as "normal" may be a "cuss"
> in my world.
>         > it is all relative :)
>         >
>         > pax
>         > jok
>         >
>         >
>
>
>
>
>
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