Rom 5:20  Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where
sin abounded, grace did much more abound: 
Rom 5:21  That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign
through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord. 
Rom 6:1  What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may
abound? 
Rom 6:2  God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer
therein?  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: michael ray tittle, dds [mailto:drmike1@...] 
> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 10:10 AM
> To: pastorsforum@...
> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] please help
> 
> Kevin,
> 
> Since all future sin has been forgiven in advance, why not do 
> as we want without reguard for God?
> In other words, it is ok for a pastor and his piano player  
> to have an affair, they're still under the blood and going to 
> heaven whether they repent or not.
> 
> I know pastors who have done these things.  If there is no 
> wrong, why did they have to leave the church?
> 
> If a saved person cannot sin, it's already forgiven, why not 
> enjoy life to the fullest? and do whatever one wants to do?
> 
> MIke
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > From: "Kevin Sigafoos" <ksigafoos@...>
> > To: <pastorsforum@...>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 11:30 AM
> > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] please help
> >
> >
> > > Hi Mike,
> > >
> > > Our salvation and drowning in a lake are nothing a like.
> > >
> > > You see, I wasn't drowning, kicking and gurgling, and 
> struggling for 
> > > air when Christ saved me.  I was dead.  I was lying at 
> the bottom of 
> > > the lake with fish eating my eyeballs.  There wasn't even 
> a glimmer 
> > > of hope.  I couldn't even reach out my hand to take the offer of 
> > > help that was offered to me.
> > >
> > > But like Lazarus, Christ said "Come out!" and I did.  He 
> gave me life.
> > > He opened my eyes.  He gave me faith to believe.  And He keeps me 
> > > alive.
> > >
> > > If Christ just threw out a lifeline.  I and struggled and 
> swam over to
> > > grab it and pulled myself in.  Well, that's great.   I'd 
> thank him.
> > > But he only aided in my salvation.  Some of it I had to do myself.
> > >
> > > But if Christ truly raised me from the dead.  Then he 
> gets all the 
> > > glory.  And I did nothing to contribute to my salvation.
> > >
> > > On 8/23/06, michael ray tittle, dds <drmike1@...> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Does that mean if you go back to the lake and fall in 
> again, that 
> > >> you will automatically be saved?
> > >>
> > >
> > > Mike,  compare what you wrote above with this passage 
> from Hebrews:
> > >
> > > For it is impossible to restore again to repentance those who have
> > > once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have
> > > shared in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness 
> of the word of
> > > God and the powers of the age to come, if they then fall 
> away, since
> > > they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their 
> own harm and
> > > holding him up to contempt.
> > > (Heb 6:4-6)
> > >
> > > It sounds like, if what you are saying is true, that you 
> only get one
> > > chance.  If you fall out of the boat twice you're done.  
> You only get
> > > one chance according to Heb 6:4-6.  So, I'm glad that Christ is
> > > keeping me in the boat and that He's got a very strong grip.
> > >
> > > -- 
> > >
> > >
> > > Grace and peace,
> > > Kevin Sigafoos
> > > ---------------------
> > > For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be
> > > glory forever. Amen. (Rom 11:36)
> > >
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> mouth, but
> that 
> > > which is good to the use of edifying, that it may 
> minister grace unto
> the 
> > > hearers.
> > >
> > >
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