Hello Edwin, Yes to everything you have said. Absolutely! That's the crux - the fact that Satan appears one day AS A MAN (the anti-christ), in the future just bolsters the point. These angels thankfully are in chains, because they didn't just rebel, they SINNED as men with the daughters of men, and produced MUTANTS (giants). Bro Craig Ledbetter -----Original Message----- From: Edwin Hill [mailto:ehillnewlife@...] Sent: 12 September 2006 07:07 To: pastorsforum@... Subject: RE: [PastorsForum] question I have carefully read all of the responses to this question, and also have researched the scripture text' in question. I have a point to ponder with you. There are various incidents in scripture where angels are seen as "men". The 2 "men" that visited Lot. The angel s or 3 "men" that visited Abraham. The angel who stopped Balaam.The angel Gabriel who came to Daniel.In the New testament the "man"at the entrance of the empty tomb. Is it too far fetched to suppose that during the time that these and other angels were able to present themselves as "men" that they were able to function in every respect as "men"? after all these angels/men were able to eat and drink with Lot and With Abraham. Is it not possible that could also "take to themselves the daughters of men to wife? Si posible! No? --- Craig Ledbetter <craigled@...> wrote: > Hello Kevin, > Your understanding is quite correct. The "sons of > God" clearly are angels. > There is no way to make them mean a "godly line." > The reference in Jude slams any other possibility > shut. > The "angels" that sinned were able to sin a sexual > act of perversion with women and God judged THEM as > well as the whole human race in the Genesis 6 flood. > There is no such thing as a "godly line" - it is not > even possible, > According to sin nature, such a thing would > definitely contradict Scripture, and make it > possible that a person would not need to be born > again simply because they were of the "good, godly > line", and were not sinners like others. > Hmmmm. Sounds a lot like what the Pharisees > believed! :) > > John 8:33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, > and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest > thou, Ye shall be made free? > > Matt 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We > have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that > God is able of these stones to raise up children > unto Abraham. > > Bro Craig Ledbetter > Ireland > www.biblebc.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin Sigafoos [mailto:ksigafoos@...] > Sent: 11 September 2006 18:39 > To: pastorsforum@... > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] question > > Hi Derick, > > I like your explanation, but I'm having a difficult > time interpreting > "sons of God" as mere men. > > The Hebrew phrase translated "sons of God" > (beneÌ„-haÌ„'eÌ†loÌ„him) occurs > only here (Gen 6:2; Gen 6:4) and in Job (Job 1:6; > Job 2:1; Job 38:7). > The references in Job clearly refer to angelic > beings. So I think it > is consistent with the use of the phrase in Job to > conclude that > beneÌ„-haÌ„'eÌ†loÌ„him means angelic beings in > Genesis 6. > > In Genesis 6 the "sons of God" are distinct from > "mankind," suggesting > they were not human. Both the Sethites as well as > the Cainites were > "daughters of mankind," so the distinction the text > makes between the > beneÌ„-haÌ„'eÌ†loÌ„him ("sons of god") and the > benot-ha'adama ("daughters > of mankind") makes little sense if the both were > human. > > It seems that the purpose of Gen 6:1-4 is to explain > the pressence of > the Nephilim who were extraordinary beings. Again, > it makes sense > that the Nephilim were the result of unordinary > parentage. How would > your interpretation explain the Nephilim? > > Extrabiblical texts support the angelic > interpretation. 1 Enoch 6-7, > elaborates on this angelic revolt and even names the > ringleaders. > > Finally, I think that Jude refers to Genesis 6 when > he says: > > And the angels who did not stay within their own > position of > authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has > kept in eternal > chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of > the great day-- > just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding > cities, which likewise > indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural > desire, serve as > an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal > fire. (Jud 1:6-7) > > Clearly, Jude is refering to angels leaving "their > proper dwelling" to > commit some sinful act. Jude implies that the act > was sexual in > nature and comparable to the sin of Sodom and > Gomorrah (i.e., the > lusting after "strange flesh"). > > I don't necessarily like interpreting "sons of god" > in Gen 6 as > angels, and I don't know the theological > ramifications of doing so, > but it seems to be the best interpretation to me. > > > > -- > > > Grace and peace, > Kevin Sigafoos > --------------------- > For from him and through him and to him are all > things. To him be > glory forever. Amen. (Rom 11:36) > > To subscribe, > send any message to:pastorsforum-join@... > > To unsubscribe, > send any message to: > pastorsforum-unsubscribe@... > > Eph.4:29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of > your mouth, but that which > is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister > grace unto the hearers. > > Ed Hill,Sr __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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