Is a clean living, faithful to his wife, good father  who pays his bills on
the same level as a crack addicted , out of wedlock pregnant thief?

Can one not help the other? If so, which one?



----- Original Message -----
From: "john okeefe" <jxpxus@...>
To: <pastorsforum@...>
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 6:43 PM
Subject: RE: [PastorsForum] why your church....


> david,
>
> why do we need to "bring them up to our level?"  that
> assumes that "our level" is the same - and that "our
> level" is better then theirs :)
>
> pax
> jok
>
> --- Pastor David Warner <dwarner@...>
> wrote:
> > Let's bring them up to a civilized level and not be
> > "dumbed" down to theirs.
> > There is a proper way to speak.  Let's teach, train,
> > lift up and not stoop.
> > David W
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: john okeefe [mailto:jxpxus@...]
> > Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 3:46 PM
> > To: pastorsforum@...
> > Subject: RE: [PastorsForum] why your church....
> >
> >
> > david -
> >
> > if i looked at you and said "dude, bogus wake -
> > spank
> > down 'n powder."  you might not know what i mean :)
> >
> > but if i said to you - "david, i believe you came to
> > the wrong conclusion and i was hoping you would be
> > more reasonable about it" - that you would
> > understand
> > - but they mean the same things :)
> >
> > words are 100$ cultural.  here are just a few
> > examples
> > (and i am certian others can think of more):
> >
> > bloody
> > dog
> > chick
> > wag
> > slide
> > spank
> >
> > most of these words you would have no problem using
> > in
> > a your daily speaking - if you said, "that guy was
> > all
> > bloody" it would have a whole different meaning
> > depending on who you were talking too :)
> >
> > what you see as a "cuss" word may not be so in my
> > community - the word "sucks" is a great example of
> > that - it is not "as bad" as your community things,
> > in
> > my community - since the article wqs designed for
> > people in my community - no problem.  but i will
> > say,
> > i actually had a very conserative church in texas
> > use
> > the article (they did ask if they could change the
> > word) for there state wide conference.
> >
> > i think, when it comes to words, we need to speak to
> > the people we are trying to reach - it is
> > undertanding
> > them and meeting them where they are and not where
> > you
> > want them to be :)
> >
> > pax
> > jok
> >
> >
> > --- Pastor David Warner <dwarner@...>
> > wrote:
> > > Sure those word are in the Bible but so is God and
> > > Jesus but it is wrong to
> > > go around using the profanely!  By the way, if the
> > > damn is in the KJV I
> > > can't find it.  Where is it?  I won't pick that
> > for
> > > my Scripture reading
> > > Sunday.
> > > David W
> > >   -----Original Message-----
> > >   From: iggy [mailto:iggy@...]
> > >   Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 11:02 PM
> > >   To: pastorsforum@...
> > >   Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] why your church....
> > >
> > >
> > >         Pastor Keeter,
> > >
> > >         Hmmm,
> > >         Isn't the word h___ in the Bible? I think
> > > though, it's supposed to
> > > be hot.
> > >         Unless one is referring to Dante's H___.
> > It,
> > > in it's lower levels
> > > was a frozen lake. Kind've like how Pastor Powell
> > > referred to about the
> > > "Frozen Chosen". Only for the really bad guys that
> > > went to a non traditional
> > > church.
> > >
> > >         Also damn, piss, hell, and dung are all in
> > > the KJV. Did you hear the
> > > one about the 2 sisters in Ezekiel whose lovers
> > were
> > > hung like donkeys?
> > >
> > >         If God can say it can't it be that
> > bad....if
> > > used in the proper
> > > context to make the point needed.
> > >
> > >         Words have meaning, add meaning, but only
> > if
> > > understood.
> > >
> > >         iggy
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >         -------Original Message-------
> > >
> > >         From: pastorsforum@...
> > >         Date: 01/29/04 20:45:11
> > >         To: pastorsforum@...
> > >         Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] why your
> > > church....
> > >
> > >         Bro John,
> > >
> > >         I think you ahve already answered my
> > > questioN!
> > >         "Cuss" curse, use profanity.
> > >         Profane- against whats right. "Cold as
> > H___"
> > >  It aint cold! etc.
> > >         The Bible calls it "Froward"- directs
> > away.
> > >         Much modern slang is this. It is verbal
> > > garbage- useless and
> > > misdirecting.
> > >         Soem is just plain profane- misusing Gods
> > > name- taking in vain- 3rd
> > >         commandment.
> > >         Abbreviations that mean the same .
> > >
> > >         I sit oK for a Christian to use R rated
> > > words?
> > >         Even the world finds them offensive.
> > >
> > >         ----- Original Message -----
> > >         From: "john okeefe" <jxpxus@...>
> > >         To: <pastorsforum@...>
> > >         Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 11:44 AM
> > >         Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] why your
> > > church....
> > >
> > >
> > >         > define "cuss" for me :)  words are all
> > > cultural - what
> > >         > you see as a "cuss" may not be one in my
> > > world - and
> > >         > what you see as "normal" may be a "cuss"
> > > in my world.
> > >         > it is all relative :)
> > >         >
> > >         > pax
> > >         > jok
> > >         >
> > >         >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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