Bro. Don, I have wanted to say that for a long time!  Sure feels good to
have it expressed.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Procunier" <don@...>
To: <pastorsforum@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 3:45 PM
Subject: RE: [PastorsForum] To Judge or not to Judge?


> Brothers,
>
> I think I see the same on both sides of the fence here.
> We, as so-called men of God, those called to proclaim the
> Gospel, and preach the Word of GOD, of all people, should
> Remove our pride and arrogance and not take extreme stands
> on anything based on our own "preferences" or "opinions"
>
> There is only one truth, and that is God's truth. The wisdom
> of man is foolishness. What we need, is not so many opinions
> and personal likes/dislikes, but more genuine, humble, Biblical,
> exegesis. (This is not throwing an occasional verse or two out
> to support our per peeves)
>
> I see that there are some that would belittle any preaching
> Or Church that does not fit the 19th century American model,
> As if Jesus stated that our order of service and the organ in
> The corner were mandates for all time.
>
> On the other hand, I see there are some that seem to "boldly
> Go where no man has gone before" as if shock value had anything
> To do with serving the Great, Risen, Living Lord Jesus Christ.
> They seem to be after chasing anything new, and somehow newer
> is better.
>
> I see a great deal of pride in both camps and very little humility.
>
> I am sorry for the rant, it is not meant to be personal for
> anyone in particular, but I just felt that it needed to
> be said.
>
>
> Don Procunier
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: john okeefe [mailto:jxpxus@...]
> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 9:37 PM
> To: pastorsforum@...
> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] To Judge or not to Judge?
>
> you wrote:  "this is somewhat meaty so chew slowly and
> swallow carefully......or you may throw-up.....but eat
> it again its good for you .....:)
>
> Caution.....not for the novice or fainthearted.....but
> a man with a teachable spirit..."
>
> RE:  i have to let you know - because it is part of my
> hermeneutic :) that this is one of the biggest
> problems we who are postmodern/emerging have with the
> "modern" church - this statement implies that if we
> disagree with you then we are wrong, and that we have
> a "unteachable spirit" - we find such statements and
> attitudes arrrogant and abusive - you believe that if
> we see things different "we are the bad guys" - you
> demand that we do it your way, but you refuse to even
> hear our words - you make fun of them and slight them,
> and ignor what we say - and you wonder why we do not
> desire to speak with you - why we do not desire a
> dailog with you - because you insult us, you belittle
> us, and when we stand up for our selves you make us
> out to be "bound for hell" - closed minds, are like
> closed doors - the only way you get to see who is
> outside is if you look in a peep-hole.
>
> if you truly desire an honest and open dialog, i am
> very willing to be part of that - but if all you
> desire to do is insult me, belittle me, and ignore my
> opinions - let me know and i can have meaningful
> conversations with others in this group :)  what i
> have found most refreshing, is that even when others
> disagree with me they never came across "snippy."
>
>
> pax
> jok
>
>
> =====
> john o'keefe
> http://www.ginkworld.net
>
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